Thanks Chrome, I try to take in as much info as i can. I think it helps to look at every conceivable angle, and yours is another one to think about.

Just on laying, managed to lay Pacino @ 2.72 at Werribee. First start, expected to match it with Danequest coming off a solid Flemington run where it finished 2.0 lengths behind Okay Oky. Too many question marks for PACINO, i saw that as money for jam.

There's another angle for you Chrome, short priced hype horses with nothing on the board, racing against at least one other runner capable of winning. The more question marks the better. You will end up in front long term believe me.

I do the U.K laying also, have had 11 favs lose in a row, so i guess you take the good with the bad.

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On a simpler note, you could look for backmarkers in inside alleys and leaders in outside alleys. Both would be good lays.

My ideal lay [no, the handbrake is not looking over my shoulder]

Must be over 5yrs. old.
Mare in an open
Over $5.50 SP
Has some form of gear change
Is a backmarker in an inside alley in a 9+ horse field
sprint distance only [the less the better].

Just so you know where all this came from, I once owned two thoroughbreds - a 5yo mare "Lucy" and a 10yo gelding "bobby" aka racing name Chrome Prince - hence my nickname (although I'm not a gelding ).

The younger mare took a lot longer to recover from a really hard run, than the gelding who was twice her age. He'd be prancing around with his tail up ready to go a few days later. She'd be in one corner of the paddock, head hung low - off her food. A week later she was like him.

The gelding was a sprinter and the more he raced, the fitter and harder he became. It was when he came back from a break, it took him one or two runs to hit peak.

The mare was a middle distance horse, and she raced better fresh, the less racing, the better she was - so to speak.

The point is, that these were two different types of horses, but the common link was that that she took longer to recover in every respect than her older companion.

So, I thought maybe it's just the distance thing. So I went about making mental notes of horses when they returned to the stables or paddock for other owners and trainers. This was a smallish complex, but a couple of very well known country trainers, I used to chat with.

My original idea, evolved into a confirmed opinion. It wasn't distance, it was the horse.

The only mares that picked up quickly and raced well after a short period, were indeed the above average types - almost champions (well in the country anway) They's string together four or five wins on the trot easily, then come to town and win.

Anyway the long and the short of it is, many years later, I remembered my findings almost two decades ago and decided to run it through a database to test.

I was blown away at how well it still holds up today.

So I didn't just retrofit or pluck a few numbers to get where I am today.

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Here's a list of some Mares who've done it...

Academy Girl x2
Akiva
Astravorn
Beautiful Bon Bon
Belle Bizarre
Blessed Sue
Blue Booty
Blue Paris
Bon Argent
Bumbelina x 4
Bush Honey x 2
Chevita
Classic Coup
Clear View
Colmaine
Coordinate
Cosmic Beam
Dance The Night
Dedicated Miss x 4
Delphine
Dreamtime Lover
Durrah
Final Shuffle
Fly For Me
Gentle
Grosvenaire
Hide The Halo
In The Gidgee
Just a Kiseki
Just Polite x 2
Kazakh Belle
Kentiara
Kentucky Hula
Kosta Nothin'
Lady Camelot
Legible
Maxerelle
Milady Clang
Miss Castaway
Miss Starnee
Miss Suzi Que
Miss Sydney
Miss Zoe
Nearmiss
Nightwood
Northern Heights
Nothin' Like Mary
Nothing Flat
Palatial
Private Steer
Professional Lady
Pure Black
Questamatic
Rapida
Raven's Pal
Regal Touch
Robyn's Furniture
Romantic Sea
Ruby Trois
Rulable
Saddle Delight
Salavat x 2
Sans Gene
Silver Seam
Sojustrememberthis
Southern Sal
Stark Touch
Stir Pak
Sunline
Supreme Sally
Tara's Range
Tears of Surprise
Temple Spirit
The Bartered Bride
Ticket To Rome
Tribula
Turbanator
Vain Zoe x 2
Valparaiso
Woodcut
Youhadyourwarning
Zedfire

Some very handy types who went on to win quite a few races, the one's that didn't were injured or went to stud.

Not one dud Mare in there

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Belmont
r6/16 SUMMER NATION.. bar plates. Still to run but will run unplaced for sure with bar plates.

Murry Bridge
r6/2 PINK FIT.. tongue tie again [horses hate these things and run accordingly] 2nd. fav. [Unplaced]
r6/ 3 BELLARGO.. tongue tie again [unplaced]
r8/ 12 NORTHWOOD tongue tie again [unplaced]
WARWICK FARM
r7/8 ATHELNOTH.. Approved Race Plates (Front) Back On Approved Race Plates (Hind) Back On, Standard Race Tips (Front) Off Standard Race Tips (Hind) Off. [unplaced]
Werribee
r6/7 ALI SHUFFLE.. tongue tie first time [unplaced]

The longer priced horses can be laid off [bet on with TAB] to offset their odds to whatever degree of risk you want. Just like the bookies do.

Murray Bridge.
R5 N5 BREAKER BEN [unplaced]
R8 N3 SELSEY [3rd]
R8 N15 GOLDEN REQUEST [unplaced]

"The longer priced horses can be laid off [bet on with TAB] to offset their odds to whatever degree of risk you want. Just like the bookies do."

Hi crash you can lay or back for less than $6 on betfair. This is how.

If you want to lay a horse at $10 but you only wont to lay it for $2, you put in lower odds say $5 and your minimum $6 bet (nobody is going to take them odds) so your lay is on now you change your $6 to $8 submit the bet.
Now you have two lays on your sceen, one for $6 and one for $2 cancel the $6 lay and change the odds on the $2 lay to what you like.

cheers

Thanks for that info. Crackone [great name].

I've never layed horse on Betfair. I'm still mastering the art of backing the ************s to win :-))

I once lost my laying bank after 10, yes 10 favourites won in a row overseas

U.S. U.K. Ireland - 3 meetings 10 in a row - a real nightmare.

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I once did my proverbial one fine morning on US races.
14 favs & 3 second favs in 17 races.

Plus I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the number of favs that won last Saturday. In my 30 odd years of racing I've never seen anything like it.