Hi,

Welcome to the forum. We already have one American punter on here called The Avenger.

Wow. A couple of good divs there, especially Manton and Napa Sky!!! From some of the divs that The Avenger has shown us, you sometimes get big overs on some of the winners here.

Don't expect winners like that all the time from me. I was very confident of those ones! But if I do have some that I like, I'll post them nice and early.

For those Aussies who don't know, US divs are based on a $2 unit and win, place & show refers to 1st, 2nd & 3rd.

Hey Samchez, good to see some yanks betting on ozzie racing, i think it's a great product.

Just a question, when you bet to place does your horse have to run second or can it win also? Likewise when betting to show does it pay only on third or any position you fill in the trifecta.

Hey Sportz! I wouldn't hold any one to the day you had yesterday(pre late adds). Hell, even with the adds. I have to check the Aussie prices on those overs (Napa and Manton). Are your prices posted as the odds and not the pay off? I guess that's how it is done in Ireland as well as I recall when I went over and found my self at the most comfortable place on earth, the racetrack! Two things that re the same world-wide: horse racing and Irish Pubs. At every foreign track or Irish pub somewhere far from home, I see the same type characters as home. It takes about two minutes to get accustommed to the different lingo and I fell like I've been going there my whole life. Punchestown in Naas, Kildare was VERY NICE!!! I've found that turf breeding is turf breeding no matter where. It's great to see so many US sires in Aus. A Dynaformer upset the field in Saratoga today on the front end. I caught Satinspin (SPinning World-BC mile) at 1 1/16 Sunday(Aus) as well as chalky Jaffa Jonnie(DAnzig Connection-Turf Pedigree). The More Than Ready's seem to be taking to the turf and EL Prado continues to show why he is regarded as the top turf sire in North America, alongside Dynaformer. Here is one that you may not have heard of UNUSUAL HEAT, standing in California, his progeny are smoking the grass courses in Cali. and he is ranked 6th in money earned in NA above Storm CAt With Approval Royal Academy, Sadler's Wells, and AP INDY. He is definitely worth a look see if his runners make it to Van Diemen's Land> Sorry to ramble but I love this stuff!!!

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Thanks for the welcome, ED. THe runner can finish anywhere above what you place it and still get paid. If it wins and you bet show (Or place for that matter) you still do get paid, but show bets are notoriously small here(remember our fields are not as large as yours. I almost always bet my horse Win and Place, besides gimmicks. If your horse runs second, you might break even or even come out ahead a little rather than being mad about how close you came(while losing your proposition all together. In Aus, (as in Ireland) is place = 2,3,4th in most fields? And do you get paid for all three positions if your horse comes in 2nd? I can't remember how it works. I do know each way is Win and Place right?What does Avenger think of the idea of having a major advantage if you do your homework compared to the average player here in the US?

Hi Samchez:

You are right about this forum being a bettor's edge in Oz. There are some excellent handicappers here. I've been playing the Aussie races for a couple of years now, and have learned a lot just by reading posts and asking questions. In fact, it was Sportz that turned me on to a couple of other sites (not forums) that have greatly helped my play, along with the fantastic tips here. Since we only get two tracks a night, and only the full card on weekends, it's tough to have great betting info and not be able to use it because our TAB doesn't take that track, that night. If you have any hot pix at Saratoga, do let me know. Best of luck

Regards,

Glenn

Gleter@cox.net

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I should have started on the Aussie racing a while back also. I can't go to the track at night and bet junk like Charlestown and Mountaineer. It's throwing money away. Anywhere horse racing is regarded as sport and not just as a degenerate gamble like the 50% take on the daily number, will make the game a million times better. Just look at Saratoga as compared to Aqueduct, but I'm sorry to say that horse racing in the US looks to be on it's last legs. There was an article in the form today about the attendance and handle being down for the Saratoga meet 1/2 way through and it was not pretty. The younger generation has no interest in the tradition and honor that horse racing was built on. They could care less if Go For Wand broke down as long as they cashed their $2 bet. I guess you are a Remington man. Then you are certainly aware of the Steve Asmussen magic. You can't go wrong there and he still is not getting over bet on the east cost (Usually). He paid $6 today at Monmouth (6 wins for 11 starts this year and 1 for 1 with Chris Decarlo on board) How did he even pay this in such a weak field? He had 7 races with 8 horses today at 4 different tracks and won 2 and placed in the rest, just getting beat on at least two of them. He is sometimes a short price, but the horses look like they should be those odds. He works all his horses in company and it helps to tell how good they are. For instance the 2nd at Saratoga Thursday. CASH FLOW drops from a Mdn Spl Wt to a Mdn Claim for Asmussen and some jockey named Jerry Bailey. His 2 yolds are always away from the gate first and that is huge in baby races. This baby worked with his top older mare Lady Tak and matched her on the slow going OKLAHOMA training track. The main competition may be Delaware Park Shipper (My home track and home of AFleet Alex) Five Star Dream trained by Mike Gorham and ridden by leading rider Edgar Prado. The horse adds blinkers drops into Mdn claim and travels 300 miles to face presumably better horses instead of making it easy on the juvenile filly. She also worked a bullet at Delaware. This type of behavior shows something because the money is not that much better to pick a much harder spot to try to break her maiden. I'll give you some more by tommorrow.

Geelong Race 4-5 Bella Comand
She doesn't win too many (1 from 14), but was encouraged by last start and has placed here twice. Does like it wet and has B Shinn on board and from Barrier 4 will get a lovely run. Would want close to double figure odds.... but would accept e/way odds.

Geelong Race 6-5 Tommyfrancs
Very Smart Freedman horse again Shinn on board and should account for these, missed out last start but should make ammends.... not flash odds maybe exacta with 1,3,5,9

Geelong Race 7-7 Outcast Babe
Resuming and has won 3 of 7, finished 2nd to Diamond Hailey in a Barrier Trial, who has won in town and the trial was on the heavy so trak no worry. Has a good jock in Mertens....again want over 5's... but don't think I'll get it...

Gosford Race 5-4 Keepa Movin Dan
Consistent horse with nice first up effort. Only win has been over the 1200m and has ran second at track and the good track is a bonus.

Northam Race 1-11 Kim Tina
3yo Filly, a first starter By Theater out of Kim Mover. No trial form that I could find but is a speculative tip from a horsewhisper mate of mine. Just for Fun

Good Luck all....

Nice finish for Sea Counsel Mav...good start for me lol! Good luck for the rest of the day guys..

Sorry about Montoux. I obviously over-rated her and I might have to sack her now I think.

Also apologise for not being able to get on and post earlier than this as I've found a few extra winners in the early races. Sorry about that.

Well done. Nowhere near double figures but still okay!