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#51
19th November 2005, 08:35 PM
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"To have a Win Only competition is useless if one is not a favorites backer; so count us out!"
Can't believe the Friedmans said that. I've never seen a political or point scoring bone in any of their posts till now. I'm shocked... Family problems? Nothing stopping them from creating a longshot only comp. I'd be in:-) . 
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#56
20th November 2005, 11:11 AM
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Results: Friedman Family Outsiders Sat 12 Nov 2005
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This demonstrates our point about not participating in a Win-only tipping competition. .. AUSTRALIAN HORSERACING (Sydney and Melbourne) . Results for Saturday 19 November 2005, for the Friedman Family Outsiders. . Oh, so close! Zev had 3 good outsider placings (53/1, 45/1 & 21/1) - he still won on the day but can you imagine if they had won! I had a good 42/1 placegetter. . Martin's tips are marked (*M) Carol's tips are marked (*C) Zev's tips are marked (*Z) . Melb race 8, #5 King's Arch (*Z) - 3rd @ 53/1 Melb race 4, #7 Allandra (*Z) - 3rd @ 45/1 Syd race 4, #7 Danebar (*M) - 3rd @ 42/1 Melb race 6, #9 Wild Classic (*Z) - 3rd @ 21/1 . Melb race 4, #8 Cool and Composed (*M) - 4th @ 7/1 . Cheers, Martin ...
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#57
20th November 2005, 11:23 AM
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Friedman family Outsiders
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We are not trying to be political or score points. All we are trying to point out is that we could not participate in a tipping competition that is based on wins only, as we only select outsiders, and are able to win quite regularly on placings. Obviously, due to the nature of our selections we have close to "Buckley's" of selecting winners, so when we do, it is a bonus! When we talk about "favourites" we are referring to "favoured horses" which are usually the 1st, 2nd & 3rd favourites. Sorry if we offended some people - it was not intentional. . Cheers, Friedman Family .
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#58
20th November 2005, 11:41 AM
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Friedman family Outsiders
Yes, Crash - a long-shot tipping competition sounds like a good idea, but how do you defind a "long-shot"? Obviously, not the favourite. But is a 2nd favourite @ 7/1 a long-shot. Come to think of it, is a favourite @ 8/1 a long-shot? - very open races, such as the Melbourne Cup often have had a favourite @ 8/1. . Our "Friedman Family" definition is >10/1, but even our outsiders (>10/1 on Thurs or Fri) have sometimes started well under 10/1. If they win or get placed, do we eliminate them because they ended up starting under 10/1? . A lot of questions need to be sorted out before such a competition could be started - suggestions would be greatly appreciated. . However, in the end, the competition should really be about making a profit consistently; be it betting for the win only, each way, placings only, quinellas, exactas, doubles, trifectas, quadrellas, super 6 jackpots, or whatever; although the more exotic, the less the chance. .
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#60
21st November 2005, 10:22 AM
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Martin,
A long-shot to me is double figures PP, as it's impossible to know the SP in advance to put selections in a forum. Generally, double figure SP would be classed as a true long-shot. You wrote: 'However, in the end, the competition should really be about making a profit consistently; be it betting for the win only, each way, placings only, quinellas, exactas, doubles, trifectas, quadrellas, super 6 jackpots, or whatever; although the more exotic, the less the chance" I agree to a point, but in the end someone has to go through all the results and dividends and work out the winning order of participants. Are you putting your hand up for the above approach:-) ?. The win bet makes it easier to the kind soul who does that job, Chuck this time around.
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