Crash,
The name speaks for it self, Collide, Run into, Break down, Stop working,
and collapse. That sums it up about your characteristic.
It cost nothing to be kind.
Why in the hell would you knock some one that contributed so many positives
to this forum over the years, more then you ever will.
Bhagwan helped so many new comers in this forum with his brilliant ideas, much more then you ever will.
Why would you disrespect his forum name? Calling him Bagman, what do you achieve with it, or are you that narrow minded that you can see the difference between
Bhagwan and Bagman. What is the point?
Why don’t you grow up, probably to late for you? If you can’t help people,
keep your lips shut, that would be the best for the forum.
With you attitude you discourage people to help others.
I learned from Bhagwan more then I will ever learn from you, you useless contributor.

Hi AngryPixie,

Thank you for the break down and taking the time to do it, appreciated.

I don’t really understand the maths enough to know what it all means, do understand some of them, but overall I think the selections seem ok.

Have to go through my racing papers for last year again to try 2 new filters and have a look at a different race type that I have been watching over the past few weeks, may add if it measures up.

With regard to my excelsheet, all by hand, what are formulas. LOL

Its an improvement from pen and A4, the way I started 1976, and that was just horse racing.

You mentioned “It was a bit peculiar” can I ask in what way, there are 4 Staking Plans on the sheet and maybe more to come, must leave my calculator in the window for a while.


Kevin

Novice Punter

That's ok. Thought it best to get the figures straightened out so everybody is talking about the same thing

What it means is that you're doing rather well for "a novice". All things being equal, there's a high liklihood your method will continue to turn a profit.

Peculiar in the sense that it was pretty obviously copied from an analogue source ie. an A4 piece of paper.

If you continue using spreadsheets you'd probably be better off converting and entering your SP' in decimal format ie. 2.00 instead of 1/1, 4.00 instead of 3/1 and so on. You'll find Excel much more useful then.

These are US races right??

Don't be backward to share your selections around

Pixie

Hi Top Rank,
Thanks for your possitive words.
I dont mind going over stuff with others especially if one already has a fair grasp of it already , there's less questions to answer.

I'm glad you are crunching a quid out of a very challenging game of skill/chance.

The 2 horse plan revolves around a pretty sophisticated piece of programming software which constantly adjusts depending on what is happening betting wise.
I feel its a bit too complicated to explain here because one needs the program to operate it. So there is no real point explaining it.

I feel the ladder staking plan could work once the perameters are known.e.g
$2 x 2 (lots of bets)
$4 x 2
$6 x 2
$8 x 2 ect.
Up to $30 x 2

Allows for 60 bets
bank needed $1860

Also a version of the 6 point plan could also work on 2 horses a race.
Example
Split O/L over 2 horses
Target--Divisor--O/L
$12 -----6-------2
$14------6-------2
$16------7-------2w $1@4.30 (ret 4.30/ O/L 2 = $2.15= 1.15/1
Now deduct the 1.15/1 off the divisor.
Profit +$2.30 now deduct this off target.

$13.7----5.85----2
$15.7----5.85----3
$18.7----6.85----3

We use the divisor in sets of 2 .e.g. 66778899 ect
We reduce the divisor by the equivalent of fractional odds not decimal.
After working out the gross return divided by the total outlayed as per example above
The divisor never drops below 3.

Once any profit is made , start at the beginning .
It works a treat if one can hit winners that pay reasonable prices because we are using 2 horses for the process.
3/1 winner = 1/1
4/1 winner = 1.5/1
5/1 winner = 2/1
6/1 winner = 2.5/1 ect

Odds Calculation
Total Ret / Total O/L = x, then convert this to odds
e.g. $240 / $90 = $2.67 = 1.7/1 Now deduct this off divisor

Once one gets their head around it , one will see that the bets dont go spirelling into oblivion , it stays pretty smooth throughout.
That's because we are using the divisor in lots of 2.
With this plan , it does help if one can hit the odd strong payer.

If one feels its getting too heavy handed , just add 2 pts to the divisor.

Try it out on some past results first.

Cheers.

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Cheers.

Hi Baco60,
That Gash friend of mine, seems to love showing contempt whenever the mood suits.

The deliberate **************ising of peoples sign in names proves that.

It is as if the chap has a Jekyl & Hide personality , only difference is Jekyl & hide did'nt insult people , he just killed them.

His friends said he was a very nice chap once you got to know him.
A murder granted , but a very nice chap indeed.

Gash the Jekyl seems to relish in exhibiting his blatent hatred towards others, by trying to publicly insult them.

The chap's class is showing , time for decorum school me thinks.

If Bhagwan had any feelings, he might even be offended .

I wonder if that chap will end up in a certain place where they practice Thermodynamics.....
On a daily basis.

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Cheers.

Hi Baco60,
That Gash friend of mine, seems to love showing contempt whenever the mood suits.

The deliberate **************ising of peoples sign in names proves that.

It is as if the chap has a Jekyl & Hide personality , only difference is Jekyl & hide did'nt insult people , he just killed them.

His friends said he was a very nice chap once you got to know him.
A murder granted , but a very nice chap indeed.

Gash the Jekyl seems to relish in exhibiting his blatent hatred towards others, by trying to publicly insult them.

The chap's class is showing , time for decorum school me thinks.

If Bhagwan had any feelings, he might even be offended .

I wonder if that chap will end up in a certain place where they practice Thermodynamics.....
On a daily basis.

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Cheers.

Hi AngryPixie,

Thanks for your comments, if I can take your comments one at a time and answer them in the order that they were made, just helps my concentration and to answer everything.

I agree that a given set of figures is essential for further reference and yours are the ones to go with.

Novice Punter, Novice there is a long story of why I chose that name, much too long to put here, I will explain whenever my PM is enabled, if you wish.

Analogue source, to be totally honest, and im not ashamed to admit it, I have had to ask someone what that means. Its too tech for me, just wouldn’t have the patience or the skill to attempt a mission like that, patience for a lot of things and other people but not that kind of stuff. Im a hands person, if I cant do it with my hands forget it, if you do a search for 22-RB on the net you will see what I mean.

2.00 instead of 1/1, its only since last year that I got to grips with fractional odds, in Ireland and UK it is the way the odds are quoted every day, in the bookies anyway.
I will make a separate sheet with the odds showing the decimal. Decimals really confuse me but with a little bit of effort might even surprise myself.

US races, my selections are all turf in UK. Flat and Jumps only, I don’t like AW racing too unpredictable although the race type I mentioned in previous post is AW, but at this time it seems to be worth a longer look over last year.

As I mentioned in another post my system is SP based just at the off and in certain race types, as much as I would like to post I cant.

Having gotten all that off my chest if I may refer to my very first post, it stated.

“This is not a selection system nor is it a staking plan.

This is an attempt to devise a method to get through long losing runs.

My idea is to see if an ideal number “divisor” can be found to reduce bank loses for any strike rate.

Everybody has their own way of making their selections and preferences for staking plans.

A problem in common to most punters if not all, is the inevitable long losing run.

A loss recovery plan is part of my idea not everybody’s cuppa, but, each to his own.

There has been lots of work in this area before and I’m sure mine won’t be the last.


I use groups of 6 runners to win X and recover loses.

6 losses terminate a group or a win when it happens.

Whatever is lost on a losing group of 6 is left behind.

This cut off is necessary.

Start new group.

The original plan was to find:

1. Ideal number of bets to put together to get through the long losing runs without stretching the bank too much. 6 seems to be the ideal number for this set of results.

2. To see if anything could get near the Level Stakes ideal and to make the same profit. “

Some of the posts from some of the members would seem to indicate that this is an attack on Level Stakes, its not, the plan is to win the same amount on the same horse as Levels does plus recover the losses left behind using the Level Stakes plan.

The 6 idea that is proposed is to ensure that that profit is maximized.

Surely profit is the name of the game, not an ideal.


Sorry its a bit long winded.


Regards and Respect


Kevin

Novice Punter

Hi Bhagwan

I just want to say im very sorry for the comments that were made by a member.

I feel responsible, if I had not started this thread it might not have ever been said.

I am very annoyed and upset over this.

Please accept my apology.

Regards and Respect

Kevin

Novice Punter

Dear new members,
If you read how many posts I've made over the years and how many Bagman has made [meaning we have both been here a long time], the penny might drop that a bit of old fashioned raging and baiting has been going on [Bagman knows I have a dry sense of humor] and as far as I know, that old Aussie tradition isn't [yet] politically incorrect. Having said that, thanks for the touching apology to Bagman on my behalf NP [is it OK if I call you that?].

As for using nicknames, it's an Aussie tradition and I've been calling Bhagwan, Bagman for years, Chromeprince [Chrome] Darkydog [Darky] and even JFC [KFC] at times etc.

I'm sure Bagman does appreciate you lot getting stuck into me though and I'm sure he doesn't mind me thanking you all on his behalf. The growing idol worship and blossoming of Bagman's groupie base is also I'm sure, highly appreciated by the Old Boy. It's given him a new lease of life and he is now literally bursting with new ideas and even double posts :-) !

Good on you Baco60 for sticking up for Bhagwan. I too have been a fan of his contributions ever since I started reading the forum and I second every thing you said about him. Some people it sems can't see the forest for the trees.