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Old 9th July 2012, 10:32 PM
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Of course I can, but I'll do better than that and tell you how I came across them. In the longshot system jacfin, for the first time I'd seen on this forum, exploded one of the biggest racing myths. I didn't take much notice of it at the time but it stuck in my head. It's now the BEST filter I have, the BEST.

Partypooper, in a couple of his systems came up with one of the very best filters, but they went along largely un-noticed - Why - Because it's safer to stick with the crowd, even tho'rowd in this case leads you to a loss of 15% at best. remember 95%+ of punters lose, and some don't just lose the obligatory 15%, they do the lot.

Then there was sarge1.

And there is a SP filter which runs along the lines of Privateers filter.

And another one from Partypooper.

And lastly from the poster who posted, who's name escapes me, who posted the longshot system.

Why the Pareto thread has been so appealing is simply the fact that it reinforces everything punters want to know. The tried and True SAFE method ..... but does it work ? I'll guarantee that Privateer had a few other things up his sleeve.

I've no doubt the way the pre-post is constructed that you could do something creative with that, and that going up in weight blah, blah is a little like swimming agin the tide, but constructive, but does it increase the POT ?

I have 6 filters which individually improve any system I've tested, and make a profit with all of them in the same basket no matter how disjointed it seems they are.

The Pareto philosophy is good, but have we got all the components, Isuspect NOT !!!!

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This just says that you have found 6 filters within the forum. It does not say what they are. It does not even cryptically say what they are. It does not even say where we can find them if we were to do our own research. To be blunt are you going to share or just continue patting yourself on the back? The basis of the forum is to learn and contribute if you have something to give back. I think you have well and truly learnt from the forum and good on you. I apologize if this offends you but this is the way I see and I am trying to be honest and polite at the same time. I am just trying to say "Remember where you learnt what you have learnt". Beton
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Old 10th July 2012, 12:37 AM
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Allow me a moment to have a little bit of a gloat. It comes from researching almost every post on here, a lot of which have been archived into history. It also comes from a recent purchase of a database, of which I've been able to put to use to reinforce a couple of my systems as profitable, but moreso to bust quite a few myths of racing. I've ended up with a list of 6, different to Privateers Pareto list, wherby mine, actioned individually on any system I've trialled, has improved the POT. I'll say that again ..... I have a list of 6 filters, each of which applied individually will improve the POT of any system, sometimes dramatically (eg; from a lowly 6% to 91.25% ..... I think I've posted this fact before).

Now the rub is this ..... each of these 6 filters applied together in their entirety show a POT of 21.3% which is ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE when you think about the fact that these filters aren't really in Sync with each other. Another myth exploded, and actually one of mine.

Forever, I thought a decent system had to have a sound base and then filters that complemented each other filter, in sync, and in sync with the base. Apparenty not.

The Pareto thread shows that decent filters do not have to correlate or be in sync with each other.

I'd like to thank the originator of this thread ..... My 6 filters are oh so different to Privateers and in keeping with my theme, are outside the square, but the proof of the pudding has been the extensive testing, and realisation that there are single filters which will improve any system.


I don't want to turn this into an ad for the database, but suffice to say as Barny has found and many others, there are so many myths that can be busted when you run them across years of racing data.

Finding what filters impact profit rather than just strike rate filters is crucial to having an edge in this game.
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Old 10th July 2012, 01:07 AM
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So long as the filters have logic to them and are not simply there to boost POT, otherwise I firmly believe they will cause more harm than good in the long term.
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Old 10th July 2012, 01:22 AM
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Of course that's a very important consideration mattio.
Consider for example topweights, when using this as a filter often improves the strike rate dramatically, but it is the most overbet proposition of all.
This is taking all of them, not using other principles.
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Old 10th July 2012, 01:40 AM
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I actually like betting the topweights, its a key filter in a number of my systems providing there is value there as you are right Chrome, they are often overbet by the public but do tend to increase the overall strike rate.
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Old 10th July 2012, 01:28 PM
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Barny
This just says that you have found 6 filters within the forum. It does not say what they are. It does not even cryptically say what they are. It does not even say where we can find them if we were to do our own research. To be blunt are you going to share or just continue patting yourself on the back? The basis of the forum is to learn and contribute if you have something to give back.


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Old 10th July 2012, 05:47 PM
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So long as the filters have logic to them and are not simply there to boost POT, otherwise I firmly believe they will cause more harm than good in the long term.
Exactly as I thought mattio, for as long as I could remember. I've been searching for systems for decades and having a link between the filters seems to be the way to go, and it is too (yup a cointradiction), BUT I have 6 filters (one is price ..... whoopee $4.00 to $30.00 - big deal eh ?) and the others can be used on any system and improve the POT - which you believe will cause more harm than good - fair enough too. I would have argued till I was blue in the face about the same thing, BUT I now believe it's wrong.

I pump in some logical filters and continue to test each of these 6 filters, and it keeps improving the POT, or reducing a LOT.

The one name I couldn't remember last night was punter57, who hosted the longshot system. There's a wealth of information in there including a few standout arguments for and reasoning for going against what nearly all punters have as "non-negotiables".

Go against the "non-negotiables", and all things being equal (ie; they all have four legs), your POT has to improve, coz' no one has their money parked there !!!!
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Old 10th July 2012, 06:02 PM
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Hello Barny
That's one filter and very generic but a start. Plus a direction to search. That's a start as well. Are you going to put up or play hard to get. As I said "the forum is about learning and once you have learnt some CONTRIBUTE".

GIVING - surpasses all the WONDERS OF THE WORLD. Beton
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Old 10th July 2012, 06:27 PM
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I've spent 1,000's of hours studying this forum and there is NO way I'm listing my filters.

All I'll say is it's logical to go against the non-negotiables to increase the POT. i've been fairly consistent in my contributions in this area, it's just that I've found an 'edge'.

I've given you the idea, you can draw your own conclusions as to whether it's logical, and if your half smart you'll think of these filters, and then probs some, and trial them. It's probably like the longshot systyem, you have to have the mentality to challenge the norm, and be comfortable with that position.

good luck .....

BTW, I did have one filter many months ago that I thought was the bees knees and it turned out OK, but not great. BUT that was before I had a database capable of checking these things.

My thought processes on punting have done a 180 deg turn.

Go against the "non-negotiables" and you'll have a bigger slice of the pool.
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Old 10th July 2012, 06:31 PM
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hey beton, you posted this after I asked for help on the Pre-Post thread !!

"Barny
The rules are simple and they are all here. GaryF has gone to a lot of time and trouble to post. Please respect that and take the time and trouble to read. There are no easy sheets on this one, but it has been summarized several times. Beton"

What goes around comes around eh ......... at least I've given you and idea that has been spawned from 1,000's of hours research and 100's hours of testing. Probs more than you'd give me eh ??
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