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Old 26th January 2003, 05:06 PM
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Hi everybody,
Can anybody give me advise on arbitrage betting.Is it possible to make money or are most arbs less than 5% and profit gets eaten by charges.
Thanks from savi in sunny UK (What are the odds of that being true)
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Old 13th March 2003, 08:08 PM
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I'm far from the most qualified to answer this, however I'll give it a go.

Arbitrage bets are REASONABLY infrequent, and normally aren't too profitable.

I'd think the sport has alot to do with it (local or int.). I'd think boxing and tennis would have arbing opportunites.

I have also heard arbing is most advantageous with bonuses (online). As there are many online books, I'm sure the opportunities are there, you just have to look for them.

They may be reasonably risk free (good for a small BR, and combined with bonuses&shopping could make decent profits), however they become less profitable the larger your BR becomes.

If anyone would like to elaborate or dismiss what I said, feel free to do so. Again, I'm pretty inexperienced at SB.
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Old 14th March 2003, 11:21 AM
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I joined an arbitrage mailing list a few weeks ago just out of interest. I probably get between 3 and 5 emails a week with arbitrage opportunities but the profit % is generally only 2 or 3% (occassionally up to 5%). Various sports have been mentioned - the european X-country events were popular a few weeks ago as well as tennis and even soccer. The main problem I see with this type of betting is you need to have accounts with numerous different bookmakers with a reasonable amount of money in each (if you are only getting 2% profit you need to place quite large bets to make it worth your while) - also you will probably have to move money around a fair bit - each time you make a bet one account will win whilst the other will lose so you will probably have to move money to the losing account to be ready for the next opportunity.

Another thing you need to be very careful about is the different rules regarding retirements - particularly with tennis betting - some bookmakers cancel the bet if the first set is not completed whilst others only cancel if the match is cancelled before the first ball has been served. If you were arbitraging on a match where a player pulls out due to injury half way through the first set you could find that your winning bet was cancelled whilst your losing bet was not (and therefore you have lost a big chunk of money).

There are definitely lots of arbitrage possibilities between Betfair and the bookmakers but you have to remember to allow for the commission betfair takes in your calculations.

The best arbitrage occassional crops up on Betfair when the market% is less than 100% for a given market - if you are quick you can get on both sides and make a profit and you only pay the commission on that profit. In the last week I have seen this on a Tennis market and a World Cup Cricket (the upcoming NZvIndia match) - only made a few dollars on each one but it only took me 30 seconds so I guess thats not a bad rate of pay!

The best way to make decent money from this type of betting seems to be with Betfair when you believe the price is about to shorten on a particular event - if you back that team then you can lay them back at a lower price. For example the other night in the Kenya v Zimbabwe match when Kenya took the 5th Zim wicket you could still get $2.90 for Kenya to Win so I put on $200. By the end of the Zim innings Kenya had shortend to about $1.50 so I layed that $200 back (if I wasn't tired I probably would have let it ride and just layed it back if Kenya started to get into trouble but I wanted to go to bed so took the save option) - this left me in the position that if Kenya won I collected $280 profit and if they lost I came out even (of course I could have layed back more than $200 to ensure I won whatever the outcome but I was pretty sure Kenya was going to cruise home which they did).
"Computers can do that????" - Homer Simpson
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Old 20th June 2007, 06:11 PM
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Yeap, they are definitely possible... I tend to get mine catching a bad opening # and then betting the other side after the lines have moved.

Here's a recent one I did, they opened the lines:

Chuck Lidell -300
Quinton Jackson +260

Ticket # 27192748 Placed: ONLINE-1 on: 05/05/2007 @ 12:26 AM WIN Risking 500.00To Win 1200.00
05/26/2007 @ 09:22 PM[30901] QUINTON JACKSON +240 - MU - WIN
WIN/LOSS for this bet: 1200.00Balance: 2125.32
Ticket # 27192751 Placed: ONLINE-1 on: 05/05/2007 @ 12:27 AM WIN Risking 425.00To Win 1020.00
05/26/2007 @ 09:22 PM[30901] QUINTON JACKSON +240 - MU - WIN
WIN/LOSS for this bet: 1020.00
Balance: 3145.32

26-May-07 Future MMA Fight Odds - UFC 71 Las Vegas, Nevada ... -186 1,720.50 -1,720.50

UFC 71 Las Vegas, Nevada
Light Heavyweights
Chuck Liddell vs Quinton Jackson
Chuck Liddell vs Quinton Jackson

I collected US$499.5 from US$2645.5, ~19% ROI. If it didn't go my way, I would have broken even for a 0% ROI... It's a little risky because I was predicting the line movement, but I was right and it worked out well for me as I was fortunate enough to get the right side in the bout, too.
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Old 20th June 2007, 10:55 PM
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That should read they opened the lines:

Chuck Liddell -300
Quinton Rampage +240. Not +260, that's my mistake.
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