Has any body got this black Jack analyser from citicash in Brisbane. they want around $9000 for the system and offer 100% money back guarantee. they also claim 62% or better return. They say the system counts cards and gives reccommendations to hit stand, insurance etc. It can only be played with casinos on the net. what does anybody think
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I'm not aware that online casinos play blackjack with say 6 or 8 decks. Anyone would be able to keep a record of every card played at their own leisure and beat them!!
The games are effectively played with an unlimited number of decks which means card counting is useless.

Has anybody else signed up for this??? Does it work?? Is this thing legitimate?

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My suggestion is stay away! As Mr Logic correctly pointed out card counting is totally useless against an online casino as they use unlimited decks that are randomly drawn (so the equivalent of a continuous shuffle in a real casino). If you want to play online there are various free tutorials around that will teach you how to play optimal strategy which means you should only have around a 1% disadvantage - you will still lose in the longrun but it would take you a long time to waste $9000 if you stick to the low value games and just have fun.

If you want to win at Blackjack in the longrun your only option is to learn a card counting system and play at real casinos - but I have been told it is not nearly as glamorous as you would think - a lot of hard work for relatively low returns and if you do start making a good living more than likely you will be banned from every casino you visit.

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I actually contacted a casino requesting how many decks in a shoe they use, and they replied saying 4 decks. The casino's don't really want you to know how many decks they use, but if you request the information they will tell you.
I don't understand how it is possible to use unlimited decks, where did you find this information??
Thank you for your reply.

Pepsi4,

I am assuming you are talking about a real casino - ie. one where you sit down at a table with a real dealer. They generally use either 4, 6 or 8 decks and yes you can find out from each one how many they use (the other important thing for a card counter is how many cards on average are left in the shoe when they reshuffle).

However the original post related to a program for use at on-line casinos (for obvious reasons no real casinos are going to let you sit at a table with a laptop running some card counting software). Online casinos do not work with real decks of cards - they simply have a random number generator to determine the cards you are dealt. In simple terms the random number generator selects a number between 1 and 52 and that is the card you get (eg. 1 might be the Ace of Hearts, etc). Each time a card is dealt it is selected at random with no regard to the previous cards so in theory you could have the same card dealt 10 times in a row. This is what I mean by unlimited decks - because each card is selected randomly it is equivalent to dealing cards out of an unlimited number of decks and therefore counting the previously dealt cards is totally useless.

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I am aware you were talking about an online casino. But by you saying there are unlimited decks is very unfair and illegal - nobody would gamble online if this was the case - dont you think! It changes the game of blackjack to a guessing game... where did you obtain your facts???? Just email a casino and ask them if this is true - I just don't think it is possible.

Whether they use 4, 6, 8 or an unlimited number of decks is pretty much irrelevant. The important point is that they effectively shuffle after every hand so any card counting is totally useless. If they didn't then you could sit in the comfort of your own home with a pen and paper (no need for a $9000 computer program) and count cards all day.

Yes it does make it totally a guessing game but lots of people apparantly still donate their money to the online casinos! As to unfair and illegal - not really - some "real" casinos now use CSMs (Continuous Shuffle Machines) to defeat card counters.

Of course there have been numerous reports of online casinos using rigged blackjack games (ie. they manipulate the cards to make it more likely for you to bust) which is totally unfair and illegal but, unfortunately, quite hard to regulate and prevent.

My advice is avoid online casinos like the plague unless you are only playing for fun (ie. no money involved). If you want to play for money then go to a real casino where at least you can see if anything dodgy is going on with the dealing! If you want to make money from card counting then you need to learn to do it properly and then practice, practice, practice and then practice some more.

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I'm coming from BJ...

Counting (along with shuffle tracking, hustling comps etc) is the only way to gain an edge in BJ. This edge is very small, depending on the rules and conditions (#decks, heat, #players etc).

With online casinos, nearly all have unlimited decks, that are shuffled after every round. You CANNOT count these.
A few offer limited deck games, but penetration is terrible, making worthless, as better conditions are available down the road.

However, there is a way to gain an advantage online, through hustling bonuses. This is the least risky way to make money at BJ, but it won't last forever, and the conditions are getting worse (though still quite profitable).

Your system is likely a ********. The edge you would get if you were Rainman or used a Casey computer wouldn't even achieve that %.

Don't think you can make money without the hard work. There's *almost* no such thing as easy money :wink:

BJ's far too much hard work - and boring as all hell.

I'll stick with the AFL for a tidy profit, a small amount of work, and several beers!