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Old 21st June 2012, 10:22 PM
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Default R & S Neurals

I have been playing around with the Neurals, not that I have much faith in them, but have sort of worked out an angle on how to improve them.

Or so I thought. Somebody mentioned in a recent post that the Neurals change regularly and it depends on when you do them. I did not take much notice until now.

Yesterday, I looked at them and noted a few. Tonight I rechecked an a couple were slightly different. Does that happen, or did I just record incorrectly.

For those that use them is their a standard cut off time. I like to try and sort things out well in advance because I do not have the time on race day.

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Old 21st June 2012, 10:34 PM
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While you're asking about the Neural I wonder if anyone has a list of what all the abbreviations mean (like CP CF TIM etc). I can't find it on the site and I can't find it on here even though I remember seeing them somewhere.
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Old 21st June 2012, 10:41 PM
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CLick on explanation Tab underneath the 2nd Neural Box on LHS,
Which shows the individual N's outcomes for each factor

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Old 21st June 2012, 10:42 PM
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Old 21st June 2012, 11:05 PM
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The neurals only change in format for scratchings

You can get them 24 hours in advance where no scratchings are,
Listed or around 11.00 AM after scratchings where they will obviously,
Be adjusted up for the scratched horses depending of course on how,
Each individual neural is affected by the scratched horse(s).

So if you get them "now" in there full format they wont ever be the same,
When the scratchings come through in the morning.

They only change for this and this reason only not for the sake ,
Of somebody in at R+S has altered them.

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Old 21st June 2012, 11:21 PM
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The neurals only change in format for scratchings

You can get them 24 hours in advance where no scratchings are,
Listed or around 11.00 AM after scratchings where they will obviously,
Be adjusted up for the scratched horses depending of course on how,
Each individual neural is affected by the scratched horse(s).

So if you get them "now" in there full format they wont ever be the same,
When the scratchings come through in the morning.

They only change for this and this reason only not for the sake ,
Of somebody in at R+S has altered them.

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Thanks for the reply Gary, I thought it was you that mentioned it, but was not sure.

I can see how they can change with a scratching, but to me, that would me that some might move up a place to take the scratched horse place. Why would the order change though.

eg, say. before scratchings: 3 6 9 5 7 2 1

Let's say No 5 is scratched . new order should be. : 3 6 9 7 2 1

But what I think im might be seeing is : 3 6 9 2 7 1

What am I missing

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Old 22nd June 2012, 12:00 AM
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Hi star.


It would probably depend on the exact neural rating it had in that exact column.
Say a horse was top points for the days and prizemoney column.

The next horse rated directly under it may move up in those columns.
BUT not necessarily move up in the overall ranking,
Depending on how the scratched horse rated in the other columns.
And how these other columns were affected as well as to what,
Horses moved up in order in the overall ratings.

It is hard to explain i know why but trying to explain it in simple Terms,
Is a little more difficult.

Hope you get it if not i will have another go.

Have a look at a race any race on the site now.
Pick out any horse and have a look at it's ratings across the board.

Then see if it has say a big time rating say and that's the reason it might
Be the top pick on that alone.

If it is scratched then the next in that column may not have sufficient points to elevate it to the top ranking.

Good luck but try the method i suggested untick some boxes and play,
Around a bit you can retick the boxes when you are finished.

This is the best way to experiment.

Good luck with it.

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Old 22nd June 2012, 06:55 AM
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Thanks again Gary.

I think I understand what you are saying if a horse is scratched and why one in a particular column might not have sufficient points to move up the ladder.

But what I still do not understand is, forgetting about an individual column and taking the sum total of all of them why a scratching can influence another horses positioning in the ladder, unless their is something in the neurals that figures in something like head to heads.

Then if their is a scratching I can see some points changing for those horses that have raced against the scratching in the past.

But, I am not sure that is figured in, so I am none the wiser.

Star

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Remember, I am talking about positions, not the individual points of each horse.

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Old 22nd June 2012, 06:57 AM
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Thanks very much LG. Exactly what I was looking for.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 08:08 AM
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what I still do not understand is, forgetting about an individual column and taking the sum total of all of them why a scratching can influence another horses positioning in the ladder
Star, I was playing around with a system where I was using one column only. I deleted all the rest. I found that even after scratchings the positions could change later on. Not often, but sometimes. In the end out of frustration I gave up.

Another problem was, sometimes after a late scratching the neurals are not updated. This again caused frustration.
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