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Old 22nd January 2014, 09:40 AM
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Talking sp of winners

below is the average winning price of the winners for all gallops meetings covered by tatts bet plus a few others just covered by BF over the past 3 years.
for me it is quite interesting as betting wise i have been suffering over the past 6 months or so because i tend to bet mainly on outsiders and my 2013 results are much worse than 2012.

When i extracted these numbers i now see that 2012 average winner paid 8.14 and 2013 paid 7.75. thus the profit ( after you take out the $1 wage has gone from 7.14 to 6.75 - a reduction of 39c or 5.14 % POINTS- when you are only making 10% POINTS - 5.14% POINTS is significant

In the last 6 months of 2013 the average was 6.67 so it dropped even a bit further. In January 2014 - which as been a disaster the average is 6.42 .

maybe its the start of a long term trend that punters are improving - only time will tell.

these figures are consistent with ones i had in the early 90's so as someone said somewhere else not much has changed really.




date …. races …. av price
2014 YTD …. 2054 …. $7.42
Jan2014 …. 2054 …. $7.42
…. ….
total 2013 …. 31140 …. $7.75
Dec2013 …. 2899 …. $7.74
Nov2013 …. 3114 …. $7.36
Oct2013 …. 3099 …. $7.55
Jan2013 …. 2343 …. $7.71
Feb2013 …. 1998 …. $7.75
Mar2013 …. 2255 …. $7.62
Apr2013 …. 2264 …. $7.76
May2013 …. 2421 …. $8.02
Jun2013 …. 2162 …. $8.31
Jul2013 …. 2774 …. $7.74
Aug2013 …. 2924 …. $7.69
Sep2013 …. 2887 …. $7.93
…. ….
total 2012 …. 26464 …. $8.14
Jan2012 …. 2341 …. $7.79
Feb2012 …. 2026 …. $8.06
Mar2012 …. 2226 …. $8.40
Apr2012 …. 2166 …. $8.16
May2012 …. 2246 …. $8.86
Jun2012 …. 2250 …. $8.53
Jul2012 …. 2025 …. $8.93
Aug2012 …. 2019 …. $7.91
Sep2012 …. 2197 …. $8.08
Oct2012 …. 2249 …. $7.90
Nov2012 …. 2354 …. $7.78
Dec2012 …. 2365 …. $7.45
…. ….
total 2011 …. 20867 …. $8.35
Apr2011 …. 2300 …. $7.99
May2011 …. 2471 …. $8.54
Jun2011 …. 2362 …. $8.74
Jul2011 …. 2273 …. $8.61
Aug2011 …. 2074 …. $8.21
Sep2011 …. 2216 …. $8.55
Oct2011 …. 2435 …. $8.44
Nov2011 …. 2279 …. $8.03
Dec2011 …. 2457 …. $8.02
Grand Total …. 80525 …. $8.03

across countries it looks like this :

Australia .. 45621 .. $7.80
France .. 117 .. $8.50
Hong Kong .. 208 .. $10.03
New Zealand .. 8265 .. $8.61
Singapore .. 2722 .. $8.68
South Africa .. 7934 .. $9.30
UAE .. 10 .. $7.78
United Kingdom .. 13771 .. $7.24

Grand Total 80525 .. $8.03
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Old 22nd January 2014, 10:00 AM
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Point of interest would be if you took the >$30 winners out. Although they should not distort the results too much. These figures are consistent to 3rd -4th fav. Thanks for posting this.
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Old 22nd January 2014, 10:50 AM
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after you take out the $1 wage

how do you mean aussie?

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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:10 AM
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after you take out the $1 wage

how do you mean aussie?

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the dividend is say $7.50 for a $1 wager- thus the profit is 6.50.
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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:12 AM
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Are these amounts the average winning price of your system winners or overall? I would have thought for all races everywhere that the average winning price would be a lot lower than that.
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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:26 AM
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the dividend is say $7.50 for a $1 wager- thus the profit is 6.50.
got it. thought you were deducting 'a wage' as you go.

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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:27 AM
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If those are BF figures then the intro of the turnover tax certainly would have had an impact, but tbh it would surprise if the overall tote figures had changed to such an extent, that would be a worry.
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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:42 AM
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Quote:
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Point of interest would be if you took the >$30 winners out. Although they should not distort the results too much. These figures are consistent to 3rd -4th fav. Thanks for posting this.


not much change really - apart from being harder to read


<=$30 divi
total yr starters Wprice % of TOT
2054 2014 2003 $6.55 97.5%
31140 2013 30341 $6.78 97.4%
26464 2012 25646 $6.93 96.9%
20867 2011 20178 $7.07 96.7%
80525 Grand Total 78168 $6.90 97.1%


>30 divi
yr starters Wprice
2054 2014 51 $41.46 2.5%
31140 2013 799 $44.51 2.6%
26464 2012 818 $46.09 3.1%
20867 2011 689 $45.89 3.3%
80525 Grand Total 2357 $45.40 2.9%
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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:43 AM
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got it. thought you were deducting 'a wage' as you go.

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i wish
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Old 22nd January 2014, 11:44 AM
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Are these amounts the average winning price of your system winners or overall? I would have thought for all races everywhere that the average winning price would be a lot lower than that.


overall tab dividends on the winners- yes everybody says that ( they thought they would be shorter) - but it has been near the same number for at least 20 years - probably longer
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