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Old 30th June 2012, 06:44 PM
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What elements of racing don't Ratings examine ????
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Old 30th June 2012, 06:47 PM
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Neil might have a answer for that.
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Old 30th June 2012, 07:07 PM
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depends on the ratings. Different ratings look at different things. Some might include something that others dont. You could rate the horses likeness for the weather if you wanted to.
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Old 30th June 2012, 07:08 PM
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Many things Shifty.
Blood counts.
How it has worked.
Has jockey had a gutbuster in the previous race.
And on it goes.
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Old 30th June 2012, 07:10 PM
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Which ratings approach are you referring to?.

(weight)(class (speed)(statistical)?.


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Old 30th June 2012, 07:14 PM
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Most public rating systems don't make the variables and weightings available.
Hence make your own and adjust accordingly.
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Old 30th June 2012, 08:22 PM
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Most public rating systems don't make the variables and weightings available.
Hence make your own and adjust accordingly.
That's an interesting statement Vortech. I know you are playing about with one, so if one was to think about doing their own what would you consider to be a Starter or Pre School kit.

I do not want to know what you do personally, that is yours, but where would one start and does it take a fair bit of time, and data.

I have no idea but it might be the next step on from the Neurals or a combination of both .

How does a rating system differ from an ordinary racing system. I hope I make sense.

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Old 30th June 2012, 09:02 PM
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That's an interesting statement Vortech. I know you are playing about with one, so if one was to think about doing their own what would you consider to be a Starter or Pre School kit.

I do not want to know what you do personally, that is yours, but where would one start and does it take a fair bit of time, and data.

I have no idea but it might be the next step on from the Neurals or a combination of both .

How does a rating system differ from an ordinary racing system. I hope I make sense.

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The way i see a difference is with a system it may say if the horse ran 1 or 2 it is included bit there is a difference in a horse that ran 2nd 1/2 head to one that ran 2nd 2 lengths.

Aslo maybe the horse was ran 2nd 2 weeks ago or maybe 2 months this would be rated differently according to the way your ratings are set up.
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Old 30th June 2012, 09:09 PM
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This is my first attempt with a ratings system so I might be well off the money.

I'm using a point allocation system based on the variables that perform the best over certain races.

I use the base rating per Bet Selector and apply points based on certain variables.

I have about 75 variables at the moment with different weightings applied.

At the moment I have tested back to 2001 with

473,930 races bet
A loss of $49,050.10 on NSW (Around 10% loss)

My target is around 10% profit so still a lot of computer hours to go.
The challenge I find is when two variables combined produce a better result.

I still think the number one variable in the game is the jockey. Have to be careful as they are over bet but geez its frustrating with a good horse that sits 3 wide or from a wide barrier the jockey sits out the back with a slow tempo.

Star what I have learnt over the last couple of years is to read read and read more about different opinions and test on your own merits. It is very difficult to make a consistent profit and you need patience. What some say is a stupid idea, with the twist of a rule or two can be a good idea.

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Old 30th June 2012, 09:51 PM
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Thanks for the reply Vortech. With those 75 variables ( is their that many that can be listed and measured ? )

I am trying to think about that business saying, Starts something like. If you can measure it, you can plan it. or something like that. A good nights sleep will leave me with the answer in the morning.

With those variables, do you do it manually or do you use a computer program. Seems like you are a fair way down the track.

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