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Old 24th October 2005, 11:13 AM
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i reckon look at why you gamble
is it for the buzz of winning,sense of achievement,is it for an escape to an otherwise futile and/or boring existence
how do you spend your time when your not gambling,are you interested in sport for its sake or only because of what money you can win on it.
i've had problems in the past,and had a horrible time with casinos some ten years ago,but now i dont even go
i'll have a punt on the horses with a couple of beers and a laugh with mates but don't go crazy.you cant win a lot of money unless you are extremely lucky or spend a lot.if a dividend on a afl match is $1.18 say well ten bucks or even a $100 is probably not worth but for a bigger punter $10000 is worth winning $1800 if its close to a good thing

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Old 24th October 2005, 01:15 PM
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Bit of plagiarism from a reformed or possibly ex-gambler.

"I do not want to stop the gambling.I want to stop the consequences of my gambling."
Turns out,the only solution for him was to stop the gambling.

My consequences are that I have wasted a lot of living time and financially I am a lot worse off.
Any gamblerholics out there who can give me some advice as to how to make my gambling less painful?
Surely stopping can't be the only solution?

SPORTZ? You seem to be devoured by your pursuit of gambling.
How do you fit the rest of your life in?.Are you for example,wheelchair-bound?.Do you have a bottomless source of income?
What are you doing right that I am doing wrong?


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Do you get someone to manage your finances.Do you give the pay packet to your missus?
I have often found that often the miserable feeling is in direct proportion to the amount lost on the day.


A couple of points...

1/ If your gambling is a problem and affecting both your living standard and your life, is it not worth stopping?

2/ It is not the amount of money you lose, it is the direct proportion of money you lose to personal income.

You can be earning $5,000 a week as a business owner and losing $2,500 a week without it being a problem, because that's the way you want to spend your money and can still afford a nice lifestyle.

You can be a pensioner or unemployed and lose $20 a week and not be able to afford the food you want or pay the rent.

It's all relative, but the problem is not.

3/ Where is the problem?

Is it you can't make a profit, or is it lack of self control?

The former can be fixed by due diligence and research, the latter cannot be fixed.

I'll say that again...

Lack of self control CANNOT be fixed - you should stop gambling altogether.

You can fool yourself into only putting a budget of $5 into your TAB account per week, and it will probably work well for a while, but sooner or later your lack of self control will re-emerge and either waste all the money you made or worse!

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Do you get someone to manage your finances.Do you give the pay packet to your missus?
I have often found that often the miserable feeling is in direct proportion to the amount lost on the day.


No - you will lose all sense of self respect.
You must be in charge of your own destiny.

Give your paypacket to your missus, and she will be happy, but she will also acknowledge privately, that her man is not strong enough to put the family first and has no self control (planting that into the mind of your spouse is like a molotov cocktail waiting to go off!!!).

The issue is not the gambling - the issue is putting the gambling first.

I know, I've been there.
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Old 24th October 2005, 08:28 PM
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For me, i look at it this way. put aside $20 a week for gambling and thats that. Im not fussed at lossing $20 a week, but i would be fussed lossing $20 a day.


Yes.I could handle losing $20 a week.
Even $20 a day,but not every day!
I will try maybe $30 a week.To be divided up into 2 lots of $15.
2 nights at the TAB per week sounds a lot more rational than 5 times a week,with losses of about $100 a week.
Thanks Oaksenuf
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Old 24th October 2005, 08:35 PM
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moeee
i reckon look at why you gamble
is it for the buzz of winning,sense of achievement,is it for an escape to an otherwise futile and/or boring existence
how do you spend your time when your not gambling,are you interested in sport for its sake or only because of what money you can win on it.

Yes that's pretty much it my friend.
I will try to get more satisfaction out of the event rather than the financial outcome.
And that means $2 bets as Oaksenuf has pointed out.
Some can bet small and enjoy losing.Sounds good to me.
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Old 24th October 2005, 08:37 PM
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good onya mate hope you sort it all out
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Old 24th October 2005, 08:39 PM
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The worst thing that happens is when I go to the tote with a $50 bill coz I don't got nothing smaller.
I say I will only lose 20 or 30 of it but I lose the lot.
Self-control can't be helped you say Chrome Prince.
I'm sure there must be ways of doing that.
I will Google
Thanks for advice CP.
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Old 24th October 2005, 08:47 PM
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moeee, I'm not trying to preach to you or anyone else.
I'm trying to impart the benefit of my personal experience, some which applies to myself, some which applies to close friends of mine.

The $50 bill scenario is the prime indicator of self control issues.

So, you might devise some system whereby you only get $20 bills and get to the TAB with only one of them.

Lack of self control will will undo all that effort sooner or later.

I'm not criticizing you moeee, I'm trying to show you how fatal this method can be.
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Old 24th October 2005, 09:45 PM
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moeee, I'm not trying to preach to you or anyone else.
I'm trying to impart the benefit of my personal experience, some which applies to myself, some which applies to close friends of mine.

The $50 bill scenario is the prime indicator of self control issues.

So, you might devise some system whereby you only get $20 bills and get to the TAB with only one of them.

Lack of self control will will undo all that effort sooner or later.

I'm not criticizing you moeee, I'm trying to show you how fatal this method can be.

Thats why gambling gets out of control- lack of disipline and control.

It is just as easy to loose $50 as it is to loose $500, its all about managing how you bet. For me, when i first started with an online-account. I put $100 in. I made about $30 and thought great. Then.... i started to think, wow, i can win on every race. In two days it was all gone. So i sat down, had a long hard think. And sorted myself out. Sure it was only $100 big whoop. But the princible in the way that i lost it, concerned me. So this time around, i am much more systematic. I make my bets before work, and check them when i come home. There is no sitting in front of the computer going "oh maybe #2 in the next" It stops that urge to bet on the next race, to win on the next race.

Its so easy to just random bet. Self control is a HUGE part in it. And well if you have no self control. Then, i, Like Chrome Prince, suggest its probably best to stay away from gambling all together.
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Old 25th October 2005, 09:30 AM
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I drink about a slab of beer a week.A slab is about $35.

I have a plan.
I commence to invest in gambling $35 per week.
All returns go into a piggy bank labelled "BEER MONEY"
No returns,No beer!
Plan gives me a definite Goal.Outcome.Reward.
Adrenalin rush might not be satisfying enough though.

Of course,like Chrome Prince said,If you ain't got self-control,you ain't got nothin'.Hoping I won't go and buy a slab to drown my sorrows during the bad weeks.
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Old 25th October 2005, 09:46 AM
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Well Mo, you probably find this a horrible thought, but you could just simply stop drinking beer!!! That'd put you $35 in front for a start, which equals $1820 a year. If you used that $35 for betting instead, you certainly wouldn't lose the whole $1820 for the year, would you?

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