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Old 24th February 2014, 04:02 PM
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Several council workers now required to do the same job that used to take half the time by one person 20 years ago. Reason for this is because of legislation brought upon us by weak governments pandering to every marginal group in this country. It might make us safer, but the extra cost is found everywhere and as a result we have less money to spend on local produce for example because all our money, through sleight of hand, has been taken away from us in the form of insurances, safety compliance issues, and a myriad of other regulations that are imposed upon us for our own good.

Go and buy a pie and have a think where all the costs of that pie come from!

Fairwork Australia has a finger in it (not literally), Worksafe, consultants flogging their new compliance systems, government taxes, water rights for the cattle, chemical regulations for the land the cattle graze on, mostly INNEFFICIENT (read government) or GREEDY organisations are gouging out a decent whack from this pie ..... you could name at least 50 rip offs directly related to the humble pie we just bought. But how many of these have made life in general better, and how many of these just raise revenue for those that don't deserve it, as a result of some bureaucrat responding to the marginal #####'s!!
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Old 24th February 2014, 06:58 PM
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Out in the bush you cannot even build your own house.
I was looking at a very large secluded block, nobody could see or would be affected by said structure. It was invisible from the road and neighbours.
This is a very remote bush area.
BUT I need to pay the council for a planning permit, then a building permit.
I understand why in the suburbs, but not in the isolated bush.
Then I get hit with, you can build the structure, but all plans have to be submitted by a licensed builder and you cannot build it yourself under any circumstances.
Well my grandfather on my mother's side, built a whole dairy and house in Charlton, and it's still standing 4 generations later.
He built it with his bare hands and totally on his own.

So now that block will remain empty and for sale, probably forever.
It's too expensive to get a builder there, and too expensive to get building materials there.
But I can build my own 10m square building without any authority.
The block is way too nice for just a toilet

So you don't own your land at all, the Council owns you and your land!!!
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Old 24th February 2014, 07:29 PM
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That should read 10 square metres
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Old 24th February 2014, 07:57 PM
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So you don't own your land at all, the Council owns you and your land!!!


Ever thought about a prefab home CP? Just a couple of semis, a crane and your done! At least the govt have promised you an NBN roll out.......lol, so you can put a bet on.
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Old 24th February 2014, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
Out in the bush you cannot even build your own house.
I was looking at a very large secluded block, nobody could see or would be affected by said structure. It was invisible from the road and neighbours.
This is a very remote bush area.
BUT I need to pay the council for a planning permit, then a building permit.
I understand why in the suburbs, but not in the isolated bush.
Then I get hit with, you can build the structure, but all plans have to be submitted by a licensed builder and you cannot build it yourself under any circumstances.
Well my grandfather on my mother's side, built a whole dairy and house in Charlton, and it's still standing 4 generations later.
He built it with his bare hands and totally on his own.

So now that block will remain empty and for sale, probably forever.
It's too expensive to get a builder there, and too expensive to get building materials there.
But I can build my own 10m square building without any authority.
The block is way too nice for just a toilet

So you don't own your land at all, the Council owns you and your land!!!
http://www.buildingcommission.com.au/ownerbuilder/applying
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Old 25th February 2014, 01:22 AM
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Thanks for that link Blackdog, I've bookmarked it for future reference.
Still a battle with the Council though.
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Old 25th February 2014, 01:28 AM
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Ever thought about a prefab home CP? Just a couple of semis, a crane and your done! At least the govt have promised you an NBN roll out.......lol, so you can put a bet on.


Would be o.k. but I need a more permanent and bushfire proof structure.
Don't think it would be practical for a crane or semi, it would cost a mega fortune because of the location and terrain.
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Old 25th February 2014, 04:42 AM
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Would be o.k. but I need a more permanent and bushfire proof structure.
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Something like this then? Not sure where you'd put the horses though. TV reception would be good though
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Old 25th February 2014, 11:12 AM
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Hahahaha, well that would do the trick RP, but can you imagine building it!

I've resigned myself to having to renovate an existing structure.
Still need all the permits, which is ridiculous, but there is less red tape.
The horses would be free range, so that's not really an issue, but stables would need to be built for the sick, injured, or foaling.
I have a friend who laser levelled all her paddocks and pulled up all the trees to put in galvanised shelters.
I was Mr. Unpopular when I mentioned that trees provide natural shade which allows air circulation, and horses love undulating terrain which also makes for better circulation and fitness. Needless to say, three of her horses have foundered (laminitis).

One bloke has tried to get around the building waffle by building all his rooms seperately. His toilet is a free standing shed, his bedrooms are detached etc.
As I understand it, you can't do that, they can see what you're trying to do and could make him demolish the lot.

Back on topic though, all these rules and regulations just don't make sense.
It is revenue raising at it's worst.
Sure there are safety aspects to be addressed, but I'm sure anyone could pay the CFA and a structural engineer to sign off the work done.
It would be money sent to a good cause rather than lining to pockets of those that do nothing.
My mother pays enormous rates to the Council where she lives, but the roads are all in disrepair, they won't put traffic lights at an intersection where five pedestrians have been killed in the last ten years, and they allowed a monstrous looking structure to be built overshadowing her home, totally out of character with the area, all because the guy had the money to push it through.
So she asked Council to come and revalue her house and land because two independant real estate agents told her the place has fallen in value because "nobody would want to live next to that!"
Council said it's worth more than the previous valuation.
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Old 25th February 2014, 12:56 PM
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G'day forumites, just passing and doing research for tomorrow,
post21,Tipsy,
At least that pie would have been made by a "mum-dad" business who may have employed a junior assistant(no need to go on the dole).
post27, CP,

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