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Old 27th July 2004, 09:01 AM
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Just like to ask your thoughts on this one regarding roulette. I saw a guy doing this yesterday, and yes luck was on his side, but he made a fortune. He was taking two of the dozen columns each spin and also placing $2 on the zero. His bets were added to after each loss apart from the zero of course. The way I see it you have a 66% chance of a collect which is much better than taking red/black odds/evens etc. He varied which column he placed his bets on but always followed the column with the previous winning number. I was thinking that instead of only taking the zero you could take the zero, one, two, three with a $2 bet and there would only be nine numbers not covered if you took the second two dozens. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated along with anyone elses.

Moeee if you are reading this I promise I wont mention the word roulette again or post another thread on the subject.
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Old 27th July 2004, 01:52 PM
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I was contemplating what comment I should make whilst reading your post.As I got near the end I thought of only one response.SAD.
Then I saw my name and obviously there is some sort of mental telepathy at work here so I withhold any further comment until further notice.
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Old 27th July 2004, 02:32 PM
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Moeee.... crickey, unbelievable.

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Old 27th July 2004, 07:40 PM
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The casino always wins in the long run, why try and beat it? Ultimately you'll either break even or lose money. The latter being more likely.

Unless of course you're satisfied with $50 profit and never gamble again.

Stick to sports betting.
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Old 27th July 2004, 08:47 PM
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Kiwi, all that does is change the distribution. It doesn't matter what combo of boxes you bet on, you will still be placing negative expectation (losing) bets. The casino has worked this all out mathematically.

Czar I disagree. There are many ways to beat the casino, they just don't include silly betting schemes etc

Ways to beat the casino:

Video poker
You have to identify a machine that is overpaying. The odds in VP are fixed, so when the jackpot gets high enough it becomes a +EV game. Not much VP in Aus though.

Blackjack
Card counting. Using a numerical system to keep track of the type of cards that come out.

Roulette
Using physics to predicat where the ball will land. Most people that do this use a computer (illegal in NSW). Very few people can do this by eye-brain (although I'm sure 50% of people in a casino try it this way).

Craps
I believe it is called sharpshooting? Basically you practice throwing the die until you can you can throw them so your numbers come up slightly more often. Now THIS is real skill, and is the hardest to pick up of the 4 ways I've mentioned here. Not based on anything mechanical or mathematical, just a physical skill.

You can also beat the casino by riggin a game. Even if the ******** is very well thought through and clever, it won't take long for them to catch on, so I'd avoid doing this.

The free money raffles are another way to beat the casino. Riskfree money, best +EV around. I made some money of this back in the day.

Kiwi, my suggestion to you is that if you want to profit off gambling, take up poker or sportsbetting. The edges there are much larger than what you will get in a casino game.
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Old 27th July 2004, 09:53 PM
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Mr J Thank you for your positive feedback. I am still winning at baccarat after three weeks of playing the system I devised (see previous thread) but sometimes it is a mighty long interval between bets. I was up $400 but got a bit carried away thinking it was easy money and gave quite a bit back. However I have tightened the reigns so to speak and am now regaining the losses of last week. Long may it last.
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Old 28th July 2004, 05:59 PM
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Mr J. In regards to craps shooting, you're actually trying to avoid the seven more than hit a particular number. You only need to hit the seven a little bit less than random to have an edge. This is done both through setting a favourable dice set before you throw and throwing ina way that they stay on axis and lightly touch the bottom of the wall, hence avoiding the randomizing effect of the pyramids on the back wall. For example, you might have a dice set that's favourable to 6's and 8's and have the most of the possible seven combinations on the outside and then have a place bet on 6 and 8. Provided you can keep the dice on axis every now and then, you'll have an edge.

That's the theory anyway, some ppl swear by it and some say it's impossible.

[ This Message was edited by: Dan on 2004-07-28 18:00 ]
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Old 28th July 2004, 06:57 PM
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I'm sorry,but I just can't hold it back anymore.

SAD.

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Old 28th July 2004, 08:59 PM
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Moeee do you ever have anything constructive to say or are you basically just a negative person?
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Old 28th July 2004, 09:54 PM
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kiwiguy maybe we just see this guy at the wrong times in the month or something, because to me he always seems negative.

Mr J: all of the systems you mentioned can work but they include so many flaws and risks that I wouldn't rely on them.

Dice rolling - I don't think there is a lot of technique in this, but if there is a person who can consistently get the right numbers then he/she deserves every cent they make.

Card counting - I'd like you to explain this system to me as I've heard of it before and I'm interested in knowing how it works.

Blackjack, however, is one of the few games where I think the gambler has an actual chance of winning more than losing - even without card counting.

Thanks.




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