JUSTRACING.

[darkydog2002]

By gee Phils in fine form this week.
Got a good winner too.

Cheers.
darky.

[Sportz]

He should stick to talking about horse racing.

[jose]

Why shouldn't he have an opion on things outside of racing?
I for one couldn't agree with him more, .

[luv2bet]

Well all I know is that wednesday nights game had me (and millions of other australians) on the edge of my seat for the entire game. I wasnt born for there last appearance on the WORLD stage and I cant remember being more exited about anything in my life. Go U AUSSIES.
Your Exactly right Sportz..... he should stick to racing.

[jose]

Probably should clarify that I was mostly agreeing with the Singapore part of the story. After watching a friend of mines son battle with addiction for 2 years and then die it sort of hardens one a bit.

Yes, go the Aussies.

[xptdriver]

Probably should clarify that I was mostly agreeing with the Singapore part of the story. After watching a friend of mines son battle with addiction for 2 years and then die it sort of hardens one a bit.

Yes, go the Aussies.

jose

I read the part about Singapore (in the artice we are talking about) and I am absolutely apalled that anyone can have that sort of opinion... (even though they are entitled to it.. for the time being anyway) If the government here had any balls, they would pass a law today outlawing all commercial contact with such a barbaric regime.. That would mean no Optus no Singapore Airlines no Sinpower etc.. Maybe then, these callous mongrels would pay attention to us.. Instead we have a grovelling, "let's not upset the Singaporeans", attitude being put forward by this gutless government... and that is why they (the Singaporean govt) treat us like something you find on the bottom of your shoe.. They (our government) have no problem passing draconian laws that restrict people's freedoms and IR rights here, but get fair dinkum and try to save an Aussie trapped in a hellhole... nah .. let's not upset the locals, it might be bad for commerce... This is a 25 yo kid we are talking about... and it is very easy to be blase about the kid because 1. he isnt your own kid and 2. he is an asian.. Put yourself in the position of that kids parents and see if you still support the gungho attitude, of judicial murder.

B4 you jump up an down and play the "but you don't have a drug addicted kid " card... You would be wrong I have been there and done that with a step kid.. But never ever would I have condoned hanging the person who sold her the drugs.. that is just inhuman and lacks any compassion whatsoever.. We, as Australians should be above that

[crash]

'The war on drugs is dead, long live the war on drugs'.

The reason the yanks invaded Afghanistan was because the Teliban got rid of the opium poppy there. Heroin almost disappeared in the States [and here and everywhere else].
Now the trade is getting back to normal in the world largest supplier of opium to make Heroin. The US economy was heading into recession because of the Teliban. Sure, all governments spend heaps on this 'war' on drugs, but only a fraction of the profit they make by 'failing' in that war. It keeps the punters happy thinking they are trying to wipe out the drug trade.

What do people think happens to all the $ from the 2nd, biggest earner next to arms? The $'s get washed and go through the economy [it even gets taxed from sales tax, property tax including GST etc.], thats what.
If the world trade in dugs [or arms] stopped tomorrow we would nose-dive into a depression. The Teliban had to go. Long live the war on drugs as the proceeds from them also help keep that other big industy arms sales, boyant too as a lot of drug $'s go on financing the arms trade.

Legalize Heroin etc. tomorrow and the world economy would collapse. It's big business, even the jails in the US are a growth market and can be invested in just like any other commodity. Legalize Drugs and 80% of crime would disappear. Why do the insurance companies make so much money? The cost of insuring against crime. Drugs feed a Trillion $ diverse industry that is totally Dependant on drug illegality. Capitalists ain't stupid. The Law does pretty well from the drug trade too. It's called corruption because cops aren't that well paid anywhere in the world.

It ain't the drug dealers who are evil, it's the capitalist who will accept their washed [even unwashed] $ and are the real culprits. Governments make drugs illegal so the dealers make lots of money to spend and keep the economy buoyant and big/small business happy. Everybody is happy except the broken and destroyed people the drugs leave behind. Hang the Government[s] who represent the money makers, not the dealers. Their just one of the Gov. best friends [buoyant economy], but don't admit it or mostly don't even know it. Indirectly, a % of almost everyones income is drug money and arms money [misery money], we just don't know it and don't want to either.

Far fetched ? Think about it. We have a drug [and arms] problem because of somthing we do very little off. 'Think'.

[partypooper]

Hey! I've got a good idea, why not give everyone the RIGHT to say "no thanks" don't wanna buy any!!

[crash]

Yep, head in the sand stuff.
Tell the poor people where all the pokies are [stuffed into every corner of their suburbs], nope, we don't want to play the pokies. Nope, we don't want to drink or smoke or play the numbers game [tatslotto], Nope we don't want to beat our wives and kids and nope drugs, gambling, grog, smoking etc. our govt.[us] profits enormously from, has nothing to do with being poor and disenfranchised from mainstream society and nope I never voted for little Johnie fascist and gave him control of the senate to create an even larger number of the poor buggers.

Nope, I'm not having a bet today on the horses because part of any winning will be drug money and I don't want any profit from misery. Nope, I don't want shares in the TAB either because part of my dividends will be washed drug money.
Yep, don't think either. 'Just so no', like the government advertisements tell us to in their 'war on drugs' adverts.

3 nieces, 1 nephew and one young sister [became a junkie mother and the 3 kids were her's] all dead from heroin and my mother dead from the 25yrs of misery it involved and eventually killed from grief, because she couldn't say 'no' to trying to get them off the crap they were injecting into every vein in their body.

'Long live the war on drugs and pass the TV guide would you honey'.


Now, enough about drugs and lets sort out winning ways to get some of that profit those drug dealers make and have washed into the prize pools :-)

[slowman]

jees crash i never thought you would have that stance coming from old school country vico,,,,,,,,,but truer words you have never spoken............
its all but fact that the golden triangle opium gets offered to the U.S.A. gov at trade prices becouse the armys that are in charge dont care about the drugs but need the money,,but they say no why=====becouse of what crash said...
and tell me this how does someone with a $500 habit pay for that with stuff they steal from you and me ..........i would have had a least 40k of tools stolen from over the years====junkies might look like ****e but they are as cunning as a sewer rat and thats how they manage to come up with that sort of money each day,,,,,,,,,,,,and it wont change until the world attiude changes.
and a another thing its easier to buy drugs than to get treatment???????????
well said crash and xpt.....cheers.....slowman..........

[crash]

Spot on Slowman. but I've only been in country Victoria for 5yrs. Melb. before that and the Gold cost as a youngster.

It's almost impossible for a junkie to get on a methodone program. Not enough places. Cost my mother easily $200,000 [fraud and stolen property] and me at least $70,000 over those years. Some of those kids have slipped my mother sleeping pills in her tea and left a window unlocked and came back an hour later to steal her pension money. They robbed me of heaps too because they just love it when you are 'trying to help them" [gives them a chance to rob you by 'helping' themselves !]. My young sister could get my wallet from my back pocket just giving me a hug. I wouldn't feel a thing !

Smarter than sewer rats by far and a lot more ruthless. Rob you while smiling at you. "would you like a nice cup of tea Gran/Uncle"? I'm sort of glad they are all dead. Out of their misery at last. If we were Heroin addicts we would be just like them too. It's a massive health problem, not a law and order [can never win it] problem.

[gazman]

i'll put in my two cents on this.................... like you crash i have been on the front line of the war on drugs and there is no help there from any gov dept its all up to the faimly of those close to clean up the mess left behind and like your mother trusting and beleiving in her own child and trying to fix a problem thats not hers but she some what blamed herself......the best thing to do would be have a free drug shop and say there you go,when you finish that bucket of drugs come and get another one,and by the if you keep this up you'll be dead in six months.............cheers....garrie...........

[crash]

My sentiments exactly mate.
Save us all some grief but the economy would suffer terribly so not much chance of it ever happening. My sister got into it when she devorced with 3 kids. She lasted 25yrs. as a junkie. All her kids became junkies and died before her. 2 of them had kids too. Junkies breed junkies [good for the world economy]. I'm in the bush hiding from them [junkies].

My family broke up when I was 9yrs. old. I've done all right and so has my twin sister now living in Syd. My mother blamed herself [her divorce] when my young sister stuffed up. Killed herself with worry and despair. I did everything to protect her, but couldn't protect her from herself and the blame she took on. I left Melb. when she died. I'm over it, but I go on the boil when I hear 'just build more jails' mentality showing itself. Nil insight.

[partypooper]

Calm down Crash, I just happen to believe that we are all in control of our own decisons, I've made some horrific ones, that I regret, but don't shirk the responsibilty. I made my bed & now have to lie in it........so to speak.

On the question in topic, I have a son dying of hep c, I'm sure you know what a knife through the heart is, but you know even he says that it was his own doing!

[crash]

We get the society we create. There were no junkies here back in the 60's seventies [pot sure but I never inhaled] because everyone had good job opportunities and even free Uni. Now we have gone the American way and if you don't start 'advantaged' [good family, money for good schools preferably private and good peer groups]. It's an uneven playing field now. Try telling a Asian laborer in the Philippines with a family of 6 he is responsible for his poverty and poor family diet. Luck chooses which bed your born in. There ain't no level playing field. It's myth that the well off generate to feel good. The rich mostly stay rich and ditto the poor stay poor. Generally speaking, privilege or lack of it decides that.

I know how you feel though about kids [I have 2 kids out there but their doing well so far]. Hep C buggers kids for life [no energy] but they can live a long one if they keep off the grog and drugs and have a good diet. Knives through the heart I can relate too. How about dozens of spears ?

Cheers.

[partypooper]

Crash, I've witnessed first hand the poverty of the Philippines and the RICH, so I agree up to a point, but that poor bloke with 6 kids chose NOT to accept the free condoms supplied by the Barangay, he also smokes and drinks Tandaway and Coka Cola every day instead of buying some decent grub!

See, I'm just a typical Gemini, I can always see the other point of view, but we were there man "72". have you seen that add on TV , a shot of Woodstock? the commentry asks "what happened to this lot"? well this is what happened; we all ended up iether "pathetic" or "appathetic".

We'd better get back on to racing or they will delete the thread.

Brindabella was a ****** good pick! how did yer do it? was it the 5th (3l) over 1700, or just the track record? or something else?

[Chrome Prince]

My 2 cents.

If you go to a Country, you obey the laws or suffer the consequences.

Knowing that a country has the death penalty, if one makes a decision to run the gauntlet, and one gets caught, one pays the price.

If, one has been set up or "planted", then Justice should see one cleared.

If the Justice system is flawed, one does not go to that Country.

There is no way I'd go to certain Countries, knowing there is the slightest chance, that I could be given the death penalty for something I didn't have a hand in.

The drug problem is rife everywhere, schools in Australia are full of drugs. Even at age 12 and 13, drugs are prolific.

The only way to stop it it to stop the source.

[Mark]

[
The drug problem is rife everywhere, schools in Australia are full of drugs. Even at age 12 and 13, drugs are prolific.

.[/QUOTE]

Depends on which school you go to or went to.
As far as I'm aware it's no better or worse than 30 years ago when I was that age, and probably no different to 30 years before that. Just different drugs?

[partypooper]

Chrome your faith in the "Justice' huh! system after what you and I have experienced is like a breath of fresh air!

I think maybe the Singaporian Government is reveling in the publicity of the event for the deterrent value!

But don't you think that choking someone to death on the end of a rope is particularly barbaric?

[Chrome Prince]

The proliferation of drugs is much higher than it was, both the number and various types.

That's not to say it wasn't around 30 years ago, it is just more common now.

My daughter goes to a public school and drugs are everywhere, my neice goes to a very expensive private school. The same amount of drugs are there too, just a different type.

I do not believe in the death penalty, that's just my personal opinion.

But if you willingly go somewhere knowing that is the law, and make a conscious decision to break that law then you deserve no less.

I would rather someone suffer the indignity and mental turmoil of a life sentence, than a death sentence.

The Justice system is greatly flawed, as are the laws of even this Country, but one has to abide those laws or pay the price.

There are many injustices in this world, ranging from local to worldwide, and every day people flaunt the law, both moral and judicial, where's the justice in that?

Anyway enough of my thoughts, it's not going to change anything.

On to the races ;)

[crash]

Brindabella was back on her home track and pet distance. C lindrop on board. How could you miss it ? Mock had me worried. I backed them both.

Yep, don't visit countries in Asia and take drugs... unless your family is rich and you are politically well connected there. Geez, they made a mistake with that model's blood test, out quick as a flash and looking good, with an $80k story contract for 'Who' and whatever else comes up.
Who was that other poor Aust. girl that coped 30yrs? No connections and from a poor family in Qld ? ...yep we make our own beds, silver spoons stuck up our ..... and Silks for solicitors has nothing to do with what life dishes up and how it treats us, has it[?].

The Death penalty is barbaric, never reduces crime and we should tell Singapore to stuff their trade up their...... jumpers.

Right, back to winning some washed drug profits from the prize pools:-)

[partypooper]

Crash, re: Brindabella, don't doubt your handicapping, but what threw me was that my form guide stated that it had never raced at 1800 never mind won. though it had a run at 1700m and finished a 3 length 5th.

[Mark]

I have 2 (well 1 now, the eldest finished last week) teenage daughter's in a public school. Neither has been tempted, in or out of school. I was offered several times at that age, (and declined) and drugs were much more prevalent at the school I went to 30 years ago. Fact. I do agree that things are worse in private, so called elite, schools. More money to spend, and more money to use to get off and/or keep it out of the media. Also fact.

Now, which race were we up to?

[crash]

Party,
Way down in class mate on her home track. Went from $10 to $13 before the jump and I doubled my win bet. I have cleaned up on this horse's wins but know when not to back her.

[gazman]

i hope you did not get all lippy with the father in law the other night when you were all juiced up ,hell one of those fullon roman greco holds could nearly change your life...........cheers.....gazman..........

[crash]

Hi Gazman,

I was a light heavy-weight boxer for many years in my youth [my father was a top Aust. boxer]. My father-in-law and I respect each other [he'd kill me once he got hold of me]. A big exotics bet man so we don't see eye to eye generally regarding the punt but we love to go to the course together and out on his boat Snapper fishing on the bay in Melb. [awesome fisherman, from the island of Ithaki in Greece, which was Ulysses island by the way [we have property there].
I can count my exotics bets on ...well on both hands. It's my karate teacher wife I am really scared of [2nd. Dan Kodoshan]. Knows how to make me look very silly any time I'm feeling cocky:-)

[gazman]

you know what we call those bay snapper where i live....bream...
cheers..........gazman...........

[crash]

Hell mate, where do you live? Want a border during the season ?

[crash]

Party,


Brindabella: CANDY VALE SCARLET SCENE SUTOLOGY.
Rating below race 108 [best ever]. The Horse was 'peaking' and had another good run in her.
1/11/2005 20 5/14 3.0 FLEMINGTON (R2) 1700 OPN 4+ M 101.5K C LINDOP 6 54.5 D 1.43.77 34.65/34.79 $15 3,4 106 1.8 1.1
Settled down handy 3lens 3 wide no cover, overraced, went forward dropped in 3rd 2 wide 700, off bit 300, battled ok.

No cover, overraced and off the bit.

That was a good enough effort with excuses and back on her track at that lower class she was a moral if Mock didn't do anything. Which it didn't.

Cheers.

[partypooper]

[QUOTE=crash]Brindabella was back on her home track and pet distance. C lindrop on board. How could you miss it ? Mock had me worried. I backed them both.


Crash, not knocking, trying to learn. Still no form at the distance, so didn't see how you called it "PET" distance?

But regardless of my thoughts you were right so good onya, I know how it feels though, I had Electic and Kim Invader as best bets of the year last week! very satisfying when you're right that's for sure!

[crash]

I meant it was her pet distance on that day for that class, due to her last effort at the distance and her rating for it [best ever]. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word 'pet' [You mis-quoted, I didn't use capitals did I? anyway who cares] but close enough for her on the day as it turned out. I did something right anyway, regardless of how I perhaps, wrongly described it in a flourish of enthusiasm. Do we have a point of contention here Party?

I'm a handicapper mate, not a systemite [part time perhaps but play money only]. It's hard to explain to the uninitiated. Apart from the facts, there is a bit of art and intuition involved. My strike rate averages is 25% for handicapping at profit average prices. Better than any system I've ever tried. When I do, I handicap the selections anyway [can't help myself]!

[partypooper]

Crash, Absolutely NO POINT OF CONTENTION here mate!! I am merely trying to learn from my betters!

You will see from my projected BEST bets that they have performed at the distance, you know; boxed in, ran wide , ran on etc etc, whereas with Brindabella I can't see anything that pointed to HER, at the distance, "you" saw the pointer, I am merely trying to emulate your thoughts for future performances!!

[crash]

OK Party, enough flattery:-)
I certainly never see myself as your 'better'. You and plenty of others here have skills and knowledge about racing that I know I don't have. I'm just and old fashioned form follower and race dissector. I have progressed through a bit from sitting in a quiet spot with the Sportsman and Winning Post, different colored pens and and a few writing pads at the ready.

I use the computer now to check horse history searching out the peaks and troughs etc. I'm looking for what the public have missed or hopefully will miss [which ain't a lot nowadays]. Brindabella's previous run to her win was a typical example, although it's not very often the public have missed enough to let a horse's odds blow out to fat overs of $13. Classic Kala was another, but a lot of punters were on to it over that track and distance. I also get it all dead wrong too and lead myself up the garden path more often than I like..

Like you, I also like stuffing around with systems but I don't hold my breath in that area or excel [accidental pun] in it like you and a few others here. I'm just not good enough shaking out the raw stats or innovative rules. I can't stick to them either. Just can't help peeking at the other runners form in the race and often as not ignore the system selection for something else entirely!

Cheers.

[CT05]

1/11/2005 20 5/14 3.0 FLEMINGTON (R2) 1700 OPN 4+ M 101.5K C LINDOP 6 54.5 D 1.43.77 34.65/34.79 $15 3,4 106 1.8 1.1
Settled down handy 3lens 3 wide no cover, overraced, went forward dropped in 3rd 2 wide 700, off bit 300, battled ok.

Crash, I am another with little idea when it comes to really seriously looking at the form, but I was wondering where can you get the detailed form like this from. Were these comments your own additions or are they published somewhere. Most form guides leave out this important information that can offer reasons for a horses good/bad run, what form guides are the better around?

Cheers

[crash]

Ctos,

Hi there !

I have no idea of your punting experience. The comments are what happened from a video replay.

I think the Winning Post at $3.50 and available Friday morning here in the country but Thurs. in the city. Covers Fri., Sat, Sun. Mon main meeting so it's good value. Avoid the Sportsman and the Wizard unless you are a very experienced handicapper as too much info will confuse.

The comments in the W/post are good value [unlike newspapers]. You can subscribe to any level of services on-line from rating services to video services. Be careful though, it's a minefield with a lot of junk out there.
If your not betting serious money they are all a waste of time because the costs are not cheap and you have to win those back before you even start to make a profit.
Any site claiming you will make a profit just by using their services, ignore immediately or ask that you pay them only from those profits or not at all.

This site is supposed to be good for the services it supplies too.

Cheers.