NORTHERLY

[Sandgroper]

Thought I’d start a new thread given the existing is growing too big and unwieldy.

A lot is being said about Northerly’s run on Saturday. From my perspective it was very disappointing to see the champ not given a chance, whether it was by design or circumstance. :sad:


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[Sandgroper]

BMW (2400m) Nominations ROSEHILL Saturday 12th April, 2003

1 CARNEGIE EXPRESS (NZ) David Payne
2 FREEMASON John Hawkes
3 HELENUS Leon Corstens
4 HENDERSON BAY (NZ) Neville McBurney
5 NATIONAL TREASURE (NZ) Gai Waterhouse
6 NORTHERLY Fred Kersley
7 REPUBLIC LASS Guy Walter
8 ST REIMS (NZ) Chris Mcnab



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[Rogan Josh]

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 NORTHERLY Fred Kersley P Payne 58
2 FREEMASON John Hawkes D Beadman 58
3 HENDERSON BAY (NZ) Neville McBurney D Oliver 58
4 CARNEGIE EXPRESS (NZ) David Payne C Brown 57.5
5 REPUBLIC LASS Guy Walter G Boss 55
6 NATIONAL TREASURE (NZ) Gai Waterhouse J Cassidy 55
7 HELENUS Leon Corstens Steven King 53.5
8 ST REIMS (NZ) Chris Mcnab G Childs 53.5

[Rogan Josh]

Prices at: 12:53:05, 8 Apr 2003 NSWTAB

No. Selection Win Place
001 Northerly $1.70 $0.00
005 Republic Lass $5.00 $0.00
007 Helenus $5.00 $0.00
004 Carnegie Express $6.50 $0.00
006 National Treasure $17.00 $0.00
008 St Reims $41.00 $0.00
002 Freemason $67.00 $0.00
003 Henderson Bay $126.00 $0.00

[BettyBoop]

I know this is a WFA race but Freemason might be worth a little investment at 66/1.

This dour stayer ran a huge race in the last Caulfield Cup and was only beaten 1.6 lengths by Northerly.

[Neil]

I have made some brief comments about Northerly in Punt to Win. The way Northerly finished the race, I think he would have won if he got a clear run.
But Northerly was a risk at the prohibitive odds:
1. Big weight.
2. Barrier one - can be a problem if you get back in a reasonable sized field, which is exactly what happened.

[Rogan Josh]

Prices at: 10:33:10, 9 Apr 2003 NSWTAB

No. Selection Win Place
001 Northerly $1.70 $0.00
005 Republic Lass $5.00 $0.00
007 Helenus $5.00 $0.00
004 Carnegie Express $6.50 $0.00
006 National Treasure $17.00 $0.00
008 St Reims $41.00 $0.00
002 Freemason $67.00 $0.00
003 Henderson Bay $101.00 $0.00

Henderson Bay in 25 points, others remain unchanged. Why no place betting ! :???:

[Redcraze]

He should win the BMW and win it easily.....if he and Paddy are

GIVEN A FAIR GO

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[Moral]

I think the big fella will be ridden much more aggressively this week (refer Aust. Cup) and if that is the case they cannot beat him. I will be happy to take $1.70 as i was delighted to get the $1.85 on course in the Aust. Cup.
Clearly they were not serious last week as we all know the only way to win from Barrier 1 with the big weight was to roll to the front and control the race (keeping out of trouble).
Load up - he is a moral!

[ra sun]

Northerly to win easily. i think he is being looked after in lead up races and being primed for their target races, as which happened in the australian cup. he is getting old but the champ will be in full flight in saturday.
Place chances to Helenus and Republic Lass.

I agree with betty Freemason could surprise some.

[Rogan Josh]

Prices at: 12:49:24, 10 Apr 2003 NSWTAB
No. Selection Win Place
001 Northerly $1.80 $0.00
005 Republic Lass $5.00 $0.00
007 Helenus $5.00 $0.00
004 Carnegie Express $7.50 $0.00
006 National Treasure $21.00 $0.00
008 St Reims $41.00 $0.00
002 Freemason $67.00 $0.00
003 Henderson Bay $101.00 $0.00


Northerly $1.70 to $1.80
Republic Lass & Helenus still $5.00
Carnegie Express $6.50 to $7.50
National Treasure $17.00 to $21.00
St Reims, Freemason & Henderson Bay remain unchanged.

Still no place betting :mad:
Market move – nothing has come in & 3 have drifted :???:

[brave chief]

I realise last week he was just given a conditioning run, but has Northerly lost a lenght or 2 the Sydney way of travelling?

It does affect some horses and this is the first time he's been asked to go this direction. I remember Vo Rogue was only half the horse the Sydney way, and ditto in Melbourne for Emancipation.

[Rogan Josh]

Prices at: 10:05:22, 12 Apr 2003 NSWTAB

No. Selection Win Place
001 Northerly $1.70 $0.00
005 Republic Lass $3.85 $0.00
007 Helenus $4.25 $0.00
006 National Treasure $21.00 $0.00
008 St Reims $26.00 $0.00
002 Freemason $34.00 $0.00
003 Henderson Bay $51.00 $0.00
004 Carnegie Express Scratched Scratched


(1) Northerly, (7) Helenus, (5) Republic Lass, (2) Freemason

[xanadu]

Well! Northerly narrowly went under in the big race to an honest trier in Freemason.
While Northerly is an out and out excellent horse, was it a case of "tricky Fred" getting his just desserts. The look on his face after the race was adequate recompense for me following last week's debacle.
"Stone-face" Patty Payne employed tactics which to many of us were a bit unusual, but Fred wasn't going to criticise his rider in front of the assembled media( I'd like to be a fly on the wall in after race discussions between this pair, who many have said have brought the image of racing into disrepute . However, the camera caught Fred in moments of reflection when he was unaware he was being monitored. The look on his face was enough for me-perhaps a case of a man being too smart for his own good? Maybe there is justice after all, although none of this reflects on the great horse which tried all the way in his typical "bulldog" style. It's just a shame that the stigma of his connections' actions have detracted from this great competitor, which must rate highly in the equine hall of fame.

[Mark]

Thank you.......again.

:grin:

[xanadu]

Rogan Josh,

Congrats on the box trifecta which paid quite well.

[Rogan Josh]

05 BMW WFA
2400 Metres
2:15pm
1ST LEG EXTRA DOUBLE

WIN/PLACE
2 15.70 1.90
1...............1.10
5...............1.50

QUINELLA (1-2) 13.30
EXACTA (2-1) 56.30
TRIFECTA
(2-1-5) 99.10
SPINNER (Mixed) 2.60
FIRST 4
(2-1-5-6) 663.30

(2) FREEMASON (D.BEADMAN)
(1) NORTHERLY (PATRICK PAYNE)
(5) REPUBLIC LASS (G.BOSS)

SCR - 4(L)


Thanks xanadu, was a nice tri result.

Let's hope BettyBoop & ra sun took some of that 66/1 originally on offer :wink:

[BettyBoop]

Yes RJ, did take the 66/1 on offer early :grin: although they only paid 60/1 in the end - some kind of late deduction :sad:

Still have some live doubles going :smile:

[xanadu]

BettyBoop & ra sun, congrats all round.

Cheers.

[BettyBoop]

Thanks xanadu, hope some other forumites also had a little on Freemason.

What a race!!! I wasn’t sure who to cheer for, pocket said Freemason, heart said Northerly.

Expected Payne to take a sit behind Freemason and then make his run over the last few hundred :eek:

See Northerly is now heading home for a well deserved spell.

[Sandgroper]

The Northerly knockers are most likely having a field-day. :sad:

I say a job well done champ, have a great break, and come back firing on all cylinders!!! :smile:



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[xanadu]

Sandgroper,

No one on the east coast has ever doubted the heart and fighting spirit of this great horse, just how he has been handled.
Fred was on Racing Radio in NSW this morning and when asked, answered directly that he was unhappy with the ride on Saturday. This led to speculation by the program's host and other contributors that Greg Childs will replace P. Payne for Northerly's next preparation. That is after he has enjoyed a well-earned rest(although it must be said that the Sydney way of going may not entirely suit him).

Cheers.

I'm surprised it took Fred so long to realise that Paddy Payne just doesn't have any affinity with this horse.Four bad rides out of four just doesn't add up.I note with tongue in cheek Neils comment in the Propun news that connections and jockey would not be too upset,after all they collected $400.000 for running 2nd,but I can't agree with that.$2 million for winning is a big difference compared to 2nd money,so I reckon Fred would be pretty dirty!!!I stated on a previous post that if Greg Childs,Damien Oliver or Corey Brown were on his back,the results of his last 5 starts would be totally different,and I stand by that.

[Cosmo]

Well done Betty Boop and Ra Sun - nice pointer at the $66 mark. A deserved collect for you. Keep up the good work.

Cheers,
Cosmo

[ra sun]

i think get darren beadman on board the mans a genius. although i like paddy i think hes a good jockey just may not be northerly's jockey.

[Paddy]

Courtesy The West Australian website:

Racing NSW chief handicapper Mark Webbey has thrown the cat among the pigeons by selecting Northerly as his Horse of the Year, "far ahead" of Lonhro and Defier.

Lonhro's legion of fans in Sydney reckon victory in tomorrow's $750,000 Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) at Randwick - which would give Lonhro his fifth Group 1 for the season - would be enough to earn the black flash Horse of the Year honours.

"No hope in the world," Webbey said in response.

"Northerly is by far and away the best-performed horse this season."

Webbey's controversial comments are sure to spark furious debate, especially from the camp of Lonhro's trainer, John Hawkes, and owners, Jack and Bob Ingham.

Add the spectre of the West Australian champ's three defeats in Sydney this autumn and Webbey's opinion will have its detractors.

"Even if Lonhro won on Saturday and went on to win the Doomben Cup, I still couldn't have him overtaking Northerly, who beat Lonhro by about 25 lengths in the Cox Plate.

Northerly has won four Group 1s this season - the Underwood, Cox Plate and Caulfield Cup last spring and the Australian Cup this autumn.