Tipping comp suggestion

[Sportz]

Hey guys, I'm just wondering if you would be interested in including a Trifecta in your selections for the tipping comp each week? To keep it simple, it would only be a box trifecta, but you would be able to choose any race that you wish to pick your trifecta in. I'm thinking of including the trifecta in the comp instead of the feature race selection. What do you think?

[roman@oz]

Hey guys, I'm just wondering if you would be interested in including a Trifecta in your selections for the tipping comp each week? To keep it simple, it would only be a box trifecta, but you would be able to choose any race that you wish to pick your trifecta in. I'm thinking of including the trifecta in the comp instead of the feature race selection. What do you think?


sounds like a great idea sportz.

[Sportz]

It would be a simple 4 horse box trifecta, but there would also be a backup of an 'Any2' bet. That's a bet they have on Unitab where you bet on horses filling any two of the first 3 placings (1st&2nd, 1st&3rd or 2nd&3rd) It's called a 'Duet' in Victoria.

[Galilee]

It would be a simple 4 horse box trifecta, but there would also be a backup of an 'Any2' bet. That's a bet they have on Unitab where you bet on horses filling any two of the first 3 placings (1st&2nd, 1st&3rd or 2nd&3rd) It's called a 'Duet' in Victoria.

....so what's the total outlay Sportz..to cover the trifecta and the 'Any2' bet?

[Sportz]

$30 for 1 unit, or $15 for a half unit. Not quite sure which we should use just yet. I reckon we should keep the total outlay for all the bets to $100 as it is now.

[Sportz]

Also, I'm going to make a change to the all-up bet. To give tipsters more choice, place betting will now be part of it and also you'll be able to have 2,3 or 4 horses in your all-up. In other words, depending on how bold or cautious you are with your all-up bet, you could have 4 horses all to win, or you could just have 2 horses to place. It'll be up to each tipster.

[lomaca]

[QUOTE=Sportz]It would be a simple 4 horse box trifecta,

Could you make it a 4/5/5 tirfecta?
If not Ok.
Cheers!

[Sportz]

Well, it would be MUCH easier with a box trifecta. Especially if there were any scratchings which would be one of the main problems about having a trifecta in the tipping comp. If we use a box trifecta, people could simply name a couple of 'reserve' horses and these could easily be included if one or two of the top 4 picks were scratched. Much trickier using other trifecta methods, so for pure simplicity, I'd like to keep it as a box trifecta if possible.

By the way, a 4/5/5 trifecta costs the same for a half as a 4 horse box costs for 1 unit. A 3/5/6 trifecta for a half costs the same as well.

Perhaps instead of a 4 horse box, we could use a 5 horse box for a half unit ($30) and forget about the Any2 bet??? OR maybe give people the option of using either of those two ideas???

Still a day or so to discuss it.

[Chuck]

I know the "Any2" bet as a "Dual Place Bet". I'm not sure if i'd really want this in the comp, but then again - thats just me :-) I like the idea of a trifecta, and if we keep going with the all-ups, then i suggest as many legs as we like, and the option of place all-ups as well. I also think it would be cool if each person had to do a "WIN" round, where they simply put all $100 on a single horse. They can choose to do this at any stage of the comp. I think it would add a bit of spice to the stew that is our tipping comp!

Chuck

[Sportz]

Yeah Chuck, I've had a bit of a rethink on the 'Any2' idea. I reckon we'll just spend $30 on the trifecta instead.

I've thought of 5 alternative methods for the $30 all using a half unit:
(a) A simple 5 horse box trifecta
(b) A 'roving banker' trifecta with 5 other horses.
(c) A 4/5/5 trifecta
(d) A 3/6/6 trifecta
(e) A 2/7/7 trifecta

I suppose we could give everyone the choice of which one of those they want to use. What do you think? We could at least give it a try. As long as everyone states very clearly what their selections are, we should be okay. As I said, scratchings will be the big problem. If everyone could put their tips in after scratchings, it would be ideal, but I realise that's not the case. Anyway, no harm in giving it a try.

[Chuck]

I like that idea, but you'll have to stress the importance of making the selections clear. Perhaps numbers and no names, e.g 1,2,3,4/1,2,3,4,5/1,2,3,4,5 - $30 (4/5/5)

Also, what is a 'roving banker'?

And what do you think of the 'win' round idea

Chuck

[Sportz]

A 'Roving Banker' trifecta is where you pick out one horse which must finish either 1st, 2nd or 3rd and then any 2 of your other selections must fill the other two placings. So, if you can find a horse that you're pretty sure will run a place, it's not a bad idea.

Yeah, your idea is okay but maybe not the whole $100. Perhaps $50 or something like that. Another alternative would be to choose one 'best bet' each week for $50 and lift the total amount bet each week from $100 to $150 or something like that. I'll have a bit more of a think about it.

[Sportz]

Not sure whether we can use your idea Chuck. Maybe we'll work out something similar for the next comp.

[luv2bet]

How can a 4-5-5 trifecta = $30 when a box 5 = $30.
Am i missing something?

[Sportz]

Sorry luv2bet, you're exactly right. Of course it's only $24. I got a bit confused because it's the same amount as a 4 horse box for 1 unit.

Anyway, it'll all be sorted out when I finish posting the new rules which I'm doing right now.

[luv2bet]

Look forward to seeing them sportz!!

[nulla]

Hi Sportz
How's about going freelance, $100 to bet however you want. Minimum of 2 races, maximum of 4, an all up bet counts as 1 race win or place, no restrictions on multi win bets, trifectas etc. The restriction of 4 races is to cut your workload down, a lot depends on how easy people make it for yoiu, it must be a pain in the rear sector for you seeing the mistakes made each week. I think an important rule would be if they make a mistake they wear it.

[Sportz]

Yeah, it is a bit of a pain seeing all the mistakes, but it's okay. Anyway, I've made some changes to the win /each-way betting and the all-up to give people more choice. It's now possible to bet ALL your win/each way money on one race if you want. Or you could bet on 20 different races if you choose. Don't know that anyone will be doing that though. I think the changes to the all-up bet are also good. Will be interesting to see who goes for safety and picks horses for a place (probably me) and who goes all out picking horses to win. Likewise, it'll be interesting to see who goes for safety with the trifectas (again probably me) and who goes all out for a big return. I'm sure there'll be a few mistakes with the trifectas, but if people read the rules, it's not really all that difficult. With the trifectas, I'm worried a bit about scratchings. Could be a real problem, but we'll experiment with it for January anyway.

[Chuck]

i guess it will be an exciting first post in the tipping thread then!

[nulla]

Yeah just saw the rules and they are a lot more user friendly, and a lot less restrictive. I tend to go all duck or no dinner a bit suicidal but I find that better than having to make selections just to fill up the tipping criterea. Your right about the scratching will be a pain especially the late ones, but a suggestion might be to replace them with a sub, the sub being the lowest number not in the tipster's selections.
Thanks for all your work, have a happy new year,
Nulla.

[Sportz]

Yeah, I was thinking of using subs for the trifectas but I wasn't sure what to use. That lowest Tab number could be a good idea though. Any other suggestions of which horses to use as subs in people's trifectas?

[nulla]

Yeah, I was thinking of using subs for the trifectas but I wasn't sure what to use. That lowest Tab number could be a good idea though. Any other suggestions of which horses to use as subs in people's trifectas?
The only other suggestion I can come up with is they pick their own subs, but I think that too many people would make the mistake of not bothering to do that, makes it especially hard with a roving banker trifecta. But if the rules are there it's the same for everybody and they should accept them.