Crash,

my original observation about demographics was clearly a reminder to La Mer that we should be talking about the situation for retail punters here, rather than his Mr Big Enough associates. As most here are retail punters or wannabes that's hardly an insult.

Now, I started this thread for a distinct reason. For comment about what I believe to be outrageous propaganda by Victorian Bookmakers. This is distinct from the Favourite/Long Shot bias anachronism.

Why no one else seems to be alarmed by the VicBet travesty dismays me.

In the second paragraph they mention 1,300 meetings. That ~10 years' worth of data.

Lots of things have changed. There were still some big firmers back in the early 90's. But that was well before TF was regularly available. With TF along with universal Sky, Internet and phones things are different and TF offers a very small premium over SP.

Where to find top value should always be at the forefront of punters' thoughts, yet very few here seem to have any independent ideas on the subject.