La Mer, of course you were right as I did my dough, my thoughts on The Black Cigar, was 52.9% S/R (for the place) was fairly consistent, didn't really think there was much strength in the field, but more importantly looked as though a bit of extra ground was in it's favour,............. but is there a hole that I can crawl into?

Crash, know what you mean alright (I know your thoughts on place betting) I am not grumbling about backing a loser as such , though I don't want too many of em', it was just that it was called a definite 3rd, Supertab divies were declared on the net, I checked back later (as I always bet best tote) and it was shown as 4th???? anyone know what happened?