DarkieDog has got me thinking. He has over six hundred systems and has been good enough to put the non performers up for us.

I have to thank him for that. ( just stirring ) But he did say to me in a recent thread that his favourite comfort zone is in the Multiples. Now, I used to bet the multiples first mainly the treble and then three horses all up a place.

Now, because I am happy enough with my main system, its at least paying its own way, but I doubt it will get me to Nirvana.

Because it is a value based system it appears to go against a few guys on here who I have a healthy respect for. So I thought that maybe I could try to formulate a Multi Place system.

The advantage is I will be able to follow more closely what the guns on here are doing because system 1 breaks a lot of rules that they would shudder at. However in Multi place betting I do not have the emotional hang up of operating at the pointy end.

I guess Darkie was talking about Multiple selections in his multis but my system will be for a place all up and I will concentrate on one selection in each race.

Now, this is where you guys come in. I would normally use three races as the all up for a normal bet, however for a system bet taking into account a reduction in run of outs I was thinking about a two race place all up. Calling it one bet would be easy to record and build some data from it. Small returns might be ok with this, because I would hopefully get more hits and have a live horse going into the money leg quire regularly.

The question is regularly enough.

What is a good starting point and where are the downs of this approach.