I have to remember these midweek comps grrrrrrrrrr

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Looks like its down to you and me Duritz.

I'll get my tips in early if possible to give you a sporting chance....

Good to see you caught up today by 2.5 points ....

lol yeah I know, a measly 2.5 points.

Bit dirty on myself about Proprietor. He rated 115 three runs back behind Takeover Target, was a great run, have been following him closely since but today only gave him 112 instead, which made him 5th pick, priced him $16. He's obviously gone 115 and won. I should have given him 114 at least, 112 was too much penalty just b/c of one poorer run LS. Need to be more forgiving of one bad one.

Durtiz,

Sorry about the late reply but been at Poker all night (came 12th).


I never had Proprietor in my top 6-7 of the race at all. Why did you rate him so high (apart from his run behind takeover target) ? Also roughly how long does it take you to rate the race ?

Good Luck.

You and me both XPT, i had Proprietor on top from Media in the Galaxy and the first 3 in order in the oaks

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Saturday's races:

RAND R5 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 1600 M
1 DOWN THE WICKET - Gary Portelli L Beasley 4 56.5
2 EMPIRES CHOICE (NZ) - Bart Cummings M Rodd 6 56.5
3 MENTALITY - John Hawkes D Beadman 1 56.5
4 MY MIDDI - Marc Conners Ms K O'Hara (a) 2 56.5
5 BACKDRAFT - Gai Waterhouse Z Purton 7 56.5
6 THE ONE (NZ) - Michael Moroney G Childs 8 56.5
7 MISS FINLAND - David Hayes C Williams 10 54.5
8 DE LAGO MIST - David Hayes G Boss 11 54.5
9 ULFAH - David Hayes J Cassidy 9 54.5
10 GALLANT TESS - David Payne H Bowman 3 54.5
11 PLAYGROUND EXPRESS - Kelly Schweida D Beasley 5 54.5

RAND R6 QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES 2000 M
1 EREMEIN - Allan Denham G Boss 6 58
2 ROMAN ARCH - Robbie Laing N Callow 9 58
3 DESERT WAR - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 58
4 ABOVE DECK - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 2 58
5 MEN AT WORK (NZ) - John O'Shea H Bowman 3 58
6 CASUAL PASS - Mathew Ellerton Z Purton 1 58
7 AQUA D'AMORE - Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 4 55.5
8 IKE'S DREAM - John Hawkes D Beadman 7 55.5
9 DE BEERS (NZ) - David Hayes C Williams 8 54.5

RAND R7 SYDNEY CUP 3200 M
1 ENVOY (NZ) - Ken Kelso G Cooksley 13 56.5
2 ON A JEUNE - Peter Montgomerie K McEvoy 15 56.5
3 LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) - John Morrisey G Colless 10 56
4 COUNTY TYRONE - Kris Lees J Cassidy 8 55.5
5 DEMERGER - Danny O'Brien S W Arnold 12 55
6 FOORAM (NZ) - John O'Shea D Beadman 2 53.5 0.5
7 ZABEAT (NZ) - Donna Logan O Doleuze 9 53.5
8 DANEBAR - Terry Robinson Z Purton 3 53
9 THREE CHIMNEYS (NZ) - David Haworth G Boss 6 53
10 AL'S FLYER - Mick Hood T Clark (a) 5 52
11 CROSS BAR (NZ) - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 4 52
12 MOLOTOV - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 14 52
13 NO WINE NO SONG - Kevin Moses D Beasley 1 52
14 COLMAINE - Diane Poidevin-Laine J Innes 11 51.5
15 NOT FUSSY - Brian Heffernan J Ford 7 51.5

Champagne Stakes
De Lago Mist
Miss Finland
Mentality
Ulfah

Queen Elizabeth Stakes
Men At Work
Eremein
Roman Arch
De Beers

Cup
Zarbeet
Demerger
Fooram
Three Chimneys

Hi Wesmip - I rated him high because he deserved it on the 115 behind TTarget. Also, in the run behind Falkirk, he was on the worst going on the inside division. Video comment that day - "joint led inside div (worst side) even tempo,accelerated - lead that division 2 lengths 300, maintained that well but on wrong part of track. Won inside div by 2.3L. " Nice run on bad going, rated 109 but obviously suffered due to that. He then failed in Sydney (at Warwick Farm though, diferent kettle of fish to Randwick), rating 107 that day. I assessed him at 112, and had him priced $16 in fifth spot. If I'd allowed him the full 115 from behind TTarget he'd have been 2nd pick, only slightly behind California Dane. I should have given him 114, 3 points was too big a penalty for one bad run. Oh well, live and learn.

As to your second query, I can spend up to an hour on a race, or I could rush through it in five minutes, because I have their ratings and video comments. Ideally I like to spend about 45 mins on a race.

Good luck Wesmip.

I think the NZ horses are starting to look good and take our measure. We haven't got much serious talent going around because our breeding industry is a mess, mostly producing overpriced rubbish from weak bloodlines with poor SR records from what they are producing. Fooram [NZ] walked in last start which wasn't a bad measuring stick of the Kiwi talent. Zabeet[NZ] might be the one to catch and Fooram's odds will be poor value. Miss Finland is heading places and Men at Work [NZ] might show Eremin up whose odds will be pathetic.

It all seems a bit of a dart throw with Group races this year. Shocking betting propositions except perhaps for exotics. A bookies picnic usually as how many surprises have we seen win these big races at big odds? Enough for a win punter to be well into loss chasing Group wins. How much money has been done by punters on Lad of the Manor in all his failures and he is only one of the disappointments. Our whole breeding industry needs one hell of a shake up. Too many rich idiots around who know nothing about race horses. They will buy anything and at stupid prices and as long as that goes on the industry is going to continue to sink into mediocrity.

Makabe Diva was a Champion because there was no compitition to compete against. 10-15 years ago she wouldn't have had half the runs on the board she ended up with.

RAND R5 CHAMPAGNE STAKES 1600 M
11 PLAYGROUND EXPRESS - Kelly Schweida D Beasley 5 54.5
7 MISS FINLAND - David Hayes C Williams 10 54.5
1 DOWN THE WICKET - Gary Portelli L Beasley 4 56.5
5 BACKDRAFT - Gai Waterhouse Z Purton 7 56.5

RES: 8 DE LAGO MIST - David Hayes G Boss 11 54.5
9 ULFAH - David Hayes J Cassidy 9 54.5

RAND R6 QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES 2000 M
1 EREMEIN - Allan Denham G Boss 6 58
5 MEN AT WORK (NZ) - John O'Shea H Bowman 3 58
3 DESERT WAR - Gai Waterhouse L Cassidy 5 58
7 AQUA D'AMORE - Gai Waterhouse D Beasley 4 55.5

RES: 6 CASUAL PASS - Mathew Ellerton Z Purton 1 58
9 DE BEERS (NZ) - David Hayes C Williams 8 54.5

RAND R7 SYDNEY CUP 3200 M
2 ON A JEUNE - Peter Montgomerie K McEvoy 15 56.5
6 FOORAM (NZ) - John O'Shea D Beadman 2 53.5 0.5
12 MOLOTOV - Jim Conlan M J Zahra 14 52
7 ZABEAT (NZ) - Donna Logan O Doleuze 9 53.5

RES: 3 LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) - John Morrisey G Colless 10 56
5 DEMERGER - Danny O'Brien S W Arnold 12 55