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Old 13th October 2019, 11:50 AM
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A couple of less likely candidates are running today:


LOOKS LIKE ELVISYTPFBCCranbourne - Race 9 - 5:10PM TAB Cranbourne Cup (2025 METRES)
LORD FANDANGO (GER)YTPFBCCranbourne - Race 9 - 5:10PM TAB Cranbourne Cup (2025 METRES)
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Old 13th October 2019, 05:09 PM
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The second wave of internationals arrived yesterday afternoon and are settled in for a 2 week stay in quarantine. They are able to run from October 26th (Cox Plate day):
Cross Counter3
Marmelo5
Southern France7
Master Of Reality9
Il Paradiso11
Latrobe12
Ispolini16
Magic Wand18
Hunting Horn19
Twilight Payment20
Downdraft38


No good result for today's Cup nominees running in the Cranbourne Cup. It was taken out by Dr Drill with nominees Looks Like Elvis finishing in 8th, one place ahead of his fellow Lord Fandango.


It was reported that Steel Prince has sustained no long-term injury following x-rays after his scratching yesterday. As anticipated, his next race will either be the Geelong or Moonee Valley Cups.
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Old 14th October 2019, 12:38 PM
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The Chosen One has received a measly 0.5kg penalty following his win in the Herbert Power Stakes. That seems to imply that, per the handicapper, only he and Prince of Arran are any good and the rest who participated in the race are rubbish.

As noted, the win meant he passed the first ballot clause and - with the extra 0.5kg - is now set to carry 52kg in the Cup, currently lying at 37th in the Order.

The updated Order of Entry is available here: https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/rv/2...ry-as-at-oct-14



Competing in Wednesday's Coongy Cup (which gives ballot exemption for the Caulfield Cup) are Melbourne Cup nominees:
TOP OF THE RANGE64
WOLFE62

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Old 14th October 2019, 12:54 PM
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Here is an update of the standings in 'the system' following the weekend's racing. Pretty tight at the top!


HorseOrderTotalLess than 8yoWgt < 57kgNot a mare<= $21 SP< $16 in lastWeighted lowerFS in last >= 10Won Black Type<=3L in last<6 victories
ISPOLINI (GB)16101111111111
FINCHE (GB)25101111111111
SURPRISE BABY (NZ)1=101111111111
MASTER OF REALITY (IRE)991111111101
CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE)1091111110111
RAYMOND TUSK (IRE)2891111011111
HUSH WRITER (JPN)5991110111111
HOMESMAN (USA)691110111111
PRINCE OF ARRAN (GB)4091110111111
RAHEEN HOUSE (IRE)4591111111101
MUSTAJEER (GB)1491111011111
VOW AND DECLARE3891111011111
THE CHOSEN ONE (NZ)3791110111111
JUST THINKIN'YTPFBC91110111111
MIRAGE DANCER (GB)881110110111
TWILIGHT PAYMENT (IRE)2081110111101
LATROBE (IRE)1281110111101
MARMELO (GB)581111110110
SOUTHERN FRANCE (IRE)781110111101
MER DE GLACE (JPN)YTPFBC81110111110
KINGS WILL DREAM (IRE)4181110111110
BRIMHAM ROCKS (GB)5381110111101
NEUFBOSC (FR)3581110111101
ZACADA (NZ)5481110111101
KING OF LEOGRANCE (FR)6581110111101
WOLFE (JPN)6481110111011
SUPERNOVA (GB)6181110111011
FAIRLIGHT (IRE)YTPFBC81110111011
GOLD MOUNT (GB)2971110110110
AVILIUS (GB)471010111110
CROSS COUNTER (GB)371011111100
DOWNDRAFT (IRE)3971110110110
MR QUICKIE2471110111100
TRUE SELF (IRE)4471100111110
GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR)4771110011110
HUMIDOR (NZ)YTPFBC71110011110
ROSTROPOVICH (IRE)1571110101101
SHRAAOH (IRE)3071110011101
ANGEL OF TRUTH1371110110101
HAKY (IRE)5271110111001
STEEL PRINCE (IRE)1=71110111100
YUCATAN (IRE)2271110110101
MUNTAHAA (IRE)2371110011101
SULLY (NZ)6371110111001
SUPER TITUS (GB)YTPFBC71110011101
ETYMOLOGY5671110011101
BIG DUKE (IRE)3270110111110
SIR CHARLES ROAD4671110011110
LORD FANDANGO (GER)YTPFBC71110011101
MASTER OF WINE (GER)YTPFBC71110110011
RED GALILEO (GB)4860110011011
IL PARADISO (USA)1161110110001
HUNTING HORN (IRE)1961110010101
RED VERDON (USA)2761110011100
RED CARDINAL (IRE)YTPFBC60110111100
MAGIC WAND (IRE)1861100010111
DAL HARRAILD (GB)4961110011100
GLORY DAYS (NZ)3161100111100
TRAP FOR FOOLS2161110011100
LOOKS LIKE ELVISYTPFBC61110111000
SOUND (GER)3661110011100
SWEET THOMAS (GER)5560110011101
VERRY ELLEEGANT (NZ)1761100110110
YOUNGSTAR3361100110101
PATRICK ERIN (NZ)4260110011110
AZURO (FR)5761110011100
QAFILA2661100011101
WALL OF FIRE (IRE)YTPFBC61110011001
HANG MAN (IRE)YTPFBC61110111000
TE AKAU CALIBURN (IRE)YTPFBC61110011001
VALAC (IRE)6060110110110
THE GOOD FIGHT (NZ)YTPFBC61110011001
TORCEDOR (IRE)3450110010101
GREY LION (IRE)5050110011100
ALFARRIS (FR)YTPFBC51110011000
ATTENTION RUN (GER)6651100001011
TOP OF THE RANGE (NZ)6251110010001
SCARLET DREAM4351100101001
OUR CENTURY (IRE)5140110010100
BONDEIGER5840110010100
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Old 14th October 2019, 06:44 PM
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Some of these don't apply at the moment unless they don't race again:

< $16 in last
Weighted lower
<=3L in last
FS in last >= 10

I assumed Weighted lower was weighted lower than last start.

These 4 will make a huge difference when they all compete against each other in the standard lead up races.
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Old 14th October 2019, 10:41 PM
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Some of these don't apply at the moment unless they don't race again
Yep, exactly right; that's why they're changing from week-to-week after the most recent races. It'll be interesting to see how much movement there is from the first list to the last; there hasn't been much so far. And of course, there's a few horses we know won't run 'til Cup day and can roughly see where they're going to be ranked (Ispolini is going to be in the first bunch; Cross Counter isn't, for example).


I see that Prince of Arran's odds have come in on some sites and now also has a score of 10.

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Old 15th October 2019, 01:04 PM
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Can't see it announced anywhere yet, but with my 1337 hacking skillz (i.e. typing a different date into the URL), here is the Order of Entry list following second acceptances: https://cdn.racing.com/-/media/rv/2...ry-as-at-oct-15
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Old 15th October 2019, 01:21 PM
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There's 64 remaining in the running for a Melbourne Cup berth. We say a sad farewell to:
Trap For Fools (formerly at #21)
Torcedor (#34 - out for the Spring)
Scarlet Dream (#43)
Our Century (#51)
Zacada (#54)
Sweet Thomas (#55)
Bondeiger (#58)
King of Leogrance (#65)

And also from those who were yet to pass the first ballot clause:
Lord Fandango
Fairlight
Hang Man
Just Thinkin'
Looks Like Elvis
Super Titus
Te Akau Caliburn
The Good Fight


It was announced yesterday that Raymond Tusk was skipping the Caulfield Cup to focus on the Melbourne Cup. He was at 28th in the Order at the time, so I figured they were confident he was going to get a start after asking around and determining several were likely to drop out today. He's still only at 27th though with plenty of opportunity for others to leap him. It's a bit of a gamble...

I'm sure a couple will drop out and have just paid the extra few thousand as insurance if something goes awry for them ahead of the Caulfield or Cox (like it did for Steel Prince last week).
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Old 15th October 2019, 07:21 PM
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It was announced yesterday that Raymond Tusk was skipping the Caulfield Cup to focus on the Melbourne Cup. He was at 28th in the Order at the time, so I figured they were confident he was going to get a start after asking around and determining several were likely to drop out today. He's still only at 27th though with plenty of opportunity for others to leap him. It's a bit of a gamble...

I'm sure a couple will drop out and have just paid the extra few thousand as insurance if something goes awry for them ahead of the Caulfield or Cox (like it did for Steel Prince last week).


I understand that if your in the top 15. But 27th is crazy and very likely to miss out.
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Old 16th October 2019, 01:00 AM
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Ispolini
4yo B Gelding
Dubawi (IRE) - Giants Play (USA) [By Giant's Causeway (USA)]

11s: 4-3-0


Ispolini has been sitting on top of 'the system' rankings and will still be there come raceday, given that he's not expected to have a lead-up run ahead of The Cup. There's actually some sub-sorting of those horses on equal scores that has heretofore gone unmentioned. Those with a weight advantage are listed foremost. Cross Counter has a 118 handicap from the British Horseracing Authority and Ispolini has 115. That means that the latter should carry 1.5kg less than the former. Instead Ispolini carries 55kg to Cross Counter's 57.5kg. 6 horses of the current top-24 have a weight advantage (with respect to Cross Counter) and only Master of Reality (-2kg) and Il Paradiso (-1.5kg) fare better than Ispolini does.

A more direct comparison between Ispolini and his stablemate Cross Counter can be made: they faced each other in Cross Counter's first race following his 2018 Melbourne Cup victory: the Dubai World Cup. Held over 3200m the two were at level weights with Ispolini finishing just 1.25L behind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxryP4DxT-Q&t=1s. Also in the race was Gold Mount (8.25L back), Red Galileo (31L back); and Prince of Arran (31.25L back) - each carrying 2.5kg extra. Ispolini now has a 2.5kg swing in his favour in the Melbourne Cup.

I've said that unlike previous years I've struggled to identify a run that got me excited. Maybe it's this one by Ispolini, his race prior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0mhcEXq7Y. He beats 2nd - Red Galileo again - by over 10 lengths. It's still over a second outside of the track record (by Almoonqith) but he does it very easily.

Less impressive was his return to England following his UAE campaign, the Yorkshire Cup Stakes: https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1129387744101314561. He's well-beaten by Stradivarius (fair enough) but also Southern France - and the latter gets a further 2kg in his favour in the Melbourne Cup. Was Ispolini's performance here too bad to be true? It was a big drop from what was shown in Meydan and he was sent for a spell afterwards, so perhaps. The Racing Post has it that the race was 5secs slower than par, so he might not have been suited by the race shape either.

He most recently resumed in Dortmund at the Deutsches St Leger, taking out the win but not putting paid to his competition. The rest of the first 4 were rated at 107 going into the race (2nd placegetter Djukon carried 4kg less, in his second career start, otherwise they were at equal weights). It looks to be on a par with his Yorkshire Cup Stakes performance. Instead of asking what went wrong there, it might be better to ask what went right in Meydan? Over there he was 2 wins and 2 seconds from 4 starts. His remaining two career wins were his maiden (on All-Weather for a purse under $10k) and what looks a middling performance in Dortmund. With such inconsistency it would have been very helpful to see him have a run in Australia ahead of the big dance....

His Dosage Profile is (2-16-13-10-1) with Points Across The Board. His DI is 1.4 and Cd is 0.19. This would suggest a most suited distance of around 3000m. His Conduit Mare Profile is very symmetrical: (7-7-4-7-7) with Speed and Stamina both 14, a Conduit Index of 1 and Triads (18-18-18). This is very atypical for a Melbourne Cup runner, just over 5.5% of those this century have a Speed figure greater than or equal to their Stamina figure. The best finisher of these was Criterion (3rd in 2015), then Big Duke (4th in 2017). 2015 was a sit and sprint/demolition derby and one could argue that there are few conclusions that can be drawn from it. And Big Duke was a freakish outlier compared to the others of this group as his Stamina points mostly came from the Professional category: he had 11 whereas the next highest had 6.

Also having a huge points total in the Professional category (11) was Rekindling. He was the winner with the lowest gap between Speed (16) and Stamina (18) so far this century. One could argue his victory also had a lot to do with him receiving a handicap that was too friendly.

I liked Ispolini going into this profile but now I'm not so sure. I certainly don't like his Conduit Mare figures. I also think he would have been better suited by a local run or two. If he brings his Meydan form he's certainly not without hope, but it seems likelier that he'll be 5-7 lengths or so off the pace, given his last couple of runs. Horses have finished 3rd through 17th within that range, so it depends on your faith in 'the system' as to where you think he'll end up.
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