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Staking - Taking a loss making system and making a profit.
Wow this forum is dead these days. Someone should start a post on staking... so thats what I will do ...
If you use a so called "stupid" staking method of trying to win your stake back + $1 on favs how would you go ? Well I started this a while back and here are some results. The only rules were back every fav and a bank was stopped after it made 100% profit or went bust. Here are actual results: Using 30 banks of $1000. Bank busted 12 times so a loss of $12000 Bank made a profit of 100+%18 times so a return of $18,000 (actually more as we made over 100% with the final win most times). Total profit = 30 - 12 + 18 = 36 = 6K profit. Thats a nice profit especially on a so called losing system (backing all favs). This is based on actual results over several months. I am sure this will get some conversation going ... Good Luck |
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Playing Devil's advocate here, so I might need some further information..
Which favourite, prepost, tab, bookie, betfair? What prices, tab, bookie, top fluc, betfair? I don't say it can't be done, because you did it, but I do query whether the next 1,000 might be Total profit = 6K loss. However, you juggle the staking plan, eventually the average odds will catch up, be it 1,000 or 10,000 bets from now. You could however take Banker's insurance a la Blackjack, and stop as soon as cumulative loss is greater than 50% of cumulative profit. I.E. keep the ball rolling until things turn ugly and still walk away with the chocolates. You might get a very nice run for a while. I have played blackjack this way and took home 15,000 from a starting bank of 200 at Crown (three orange tigers was nice), but then they barred me, they thought I was card counting This was 8 years ago, and I haven't been back since.
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Chrome,
Using Betfair odds 1 min from the jump. I believe it works because favs almost make a level stakes profit using betfair ) before commission) so its only really making a slight loss after commission. Good Luck. |
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When there is no other conversation going, drag out the old loss chasing 'progressive' [ho ho] staking chestnut. With a bit of luck wesmip1 and after lots of gobbly-gook, someone will try to sell you something :-) Last edited by crash : 16th December 2007 at 08:01 AM. |
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Crash,
Just trying to get some conversation going but it doesn't even look like this topic can stir up a discussion. Unfortunately management seemed to have killed the forum... Oh well.... can't do much about it now. Good Luck. |
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Yeah, their terrified when we disagree so they jump in and spoil it, even though we used to always sort it out nicely in the end. Never a dull moment in the good old days:-)
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Yes, I believe it works because of the Betfair involvement. I think you'd really struggle on the TABS.
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If it's working on Betfair the system is not making a loss there long term, so it's not chasing losses. If it is, it will eventually lose there too.
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Staking;Taking a loss making system and making a profit.
Quite some time ago, a reputable member stated he bet 1/2 % of his balance. While maybe not making a profit, it certainly takes a lot of bets to go broke. Others say 10%, but the strike rate would have to be very good. Personally I like 2%, increasing or decreasing at the end of the day, or after a prescribed win or loss amount
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My spreadsheet updates after every race so on winning it allows me to bet more. On down runs it decreases my bets immediately. I think 'after every race' is the key. To not alter it until the end of the day means your either doing yourself out of decent money on a good day and of course.....alot to catch up if you realise at the end of the day its not been so good but youve been betting a higher stake then you should.
I think your right betting 2% win betting when your strike rate is lower. I kept a table next to my 5% place betting ages ago with a 10% bracket to see the difference. i found the 10% a bit too fickle. Try this but alter the flat rate & profit rate until it fits as you like it (the 10% can be as much as 20% >>> 2% flat rate + 10% of days profit added on top. Your staking more but the 'more' isnt extra out of your bank but a slice of what your already won. It makes winning days very lucrative. On losing days it makes no difference as 10% of $0 = $0 <<< so its just the usual 2% flat rate your betting anyway. You can also drop the profit % right down as the day goes on to secure your winnings a bit tighter. |
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