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Old 14th December 2004, 09:02 AM
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hELLO, i'm new to the punting game and wondered if anybody could tell me just how long is a SPELL? Is it 2 months or 3 months or less??
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Old 14th December 2004, 10:33 AM
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It depends on the form guide. It always used to be either 3 months or 12 weeks (84days), but now some form guides list a spell as less than that. I'm not totally sure, but I think they possibly use 8 weeks (56days). Might even be less than that. Does anyone else know?
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Old 14th December 2004, 12:30 PM
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I think any breaks of 60 days or more is a spell. Any breaks between 32 days (or as low as 27 days ) to 59 days is consider as a letup.

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Old 14th December 2004, 08:28 PM
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I’d keep it simple & stick to 3 months or longer
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Old 14th December 2004, 09:29 PM
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Technically 45 days, but it depends on who you ask.
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Old 16th December 2004, 10:55 AM
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hELLO, i'm new to the punting game and wondered if anybody could tell me just how long is a SPELL? Is it 2 months or 3 months or less??
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AAP and most of the form guides use 85+ days.
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Old 16th December 2004, 12:44 PM
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AAP and most of the form guides use 85+ days.


yeh & this is of course decidedly deceiving.
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Old 17th December 2004, 02:48 PM
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yeh & this is of course decidedly deceiving.


Yawn.

I’ve been on nights at DFAT for the past few months after my last little spat with the owners of this website.

It’s been fascinating to watch the “gurus” defending their positions in relation to racing statistics and their use. Poor old ‘thoroughbred’ who pointed out some very poor ideas that were on offer was trenchdug by Chadban who is (apparently) a supporter of poor statistical methodology.

You see the problem is that people tend to believe the written word.

A lot of it is sheer rubbish.

Let’s examine the statement (paraphrased) which was published in shiny covered book form and swallowed whole :-

“18% of 1200 metre races are won by horses which have had a 46+ day spell”

This gem of wisdom is based on a sample of 1300 races.

When one examines 303,347 1200 m. races then you find that ONLY 8.3% of races were won by horses with this characteristic and horses with a 46 day spell have a winning Relative Frequency of 0.87 (1993 – 2003).

It appears that the originator of the original statistics ignored 99.5% of the available races and he wrote to me that “As a matter of interest my statistics were done over a period of 10 years and not 10 years of manipulated computer analized data.”

I would venture to suggest that 10 years of properly analysed data exposes the less than accurate data and conclusions that was peddled as the truth.

The REAL statistics say that in 1200 metre races you need to look at horses with <= 24 days since last start.

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Old 17th December 2004, 08:53 PM
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When one examines 303,347 1200 m. races then you find that ONLY 8.3% of races were won by horses with this characteristic and horses with a 46 day spell have a winning Relative Frequency of 0.87 (1993 – 2003).


Wow, that's one hell of an impressive database you have there. If it's got 300,000 1200m races in a ten year period how much of the world does it cover? I reckon there'd only be about that many races in total in Aussie in the last ten years. Tell me where a person goes to get such a database because I'm going right out to the bin to throw my sad little collection of Sportsman's away right now.
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Old 17th December 2004, 10:59 PM
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Isn't human nature a complex thing. The moment disbelief strikes derogatory comments rise. Beton
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